TED NUGENT Blames Liberals For Detroit's Financial Collapse

What killed Detroit was the civil war that broke out.
You are clearly better placed than I to know. :)

Heh... Yeah, and it's a tough distinction to figure out for outsiders. Detroit and Metro Detroit have been two very separate things for a very long time. Yet, Metro Detroit is often referred to as Detroit, as well.

Detroit can mean the city or the entire region from Monroe (South) to somewhere out by St. Clair (North) to Ann Arbor (West) to Canada (East). Us locals know the difference between Detroit and Detroit. And, if you were driving through, you'd know when you crossed that border, too. It's a pretty marked difference, and it's still getting worse in lots of areas.

In the early 60's, as urban sprawl was kicking off all across the US, Detroit was no different. Large manufacturing businesses were moving outward for more room and less regulation. Then came the riots. Detroit has always been a bit tense on race relations. Dating back to the Underground Railroad, we have a large African-American community. And the riots of '67 exacerbated the situation. The white people left the city for the suburbs. In droves. (We're talking from 1.6 million in 1960 to 200,000 in 1980.)

At that point, you've got some big problems... It stands to reason that not as many people moved into Detroit as moved out to the suburbs. And the people who did move in earned less, as the people who moved out were already solidly established. Politicians and Mayors furthered their own agendas by driving a wedge between Detroit and the Suburbs, riding the thinly masked race card. The whites in the suburbs were largely of the opinion that the blacks were useless freeloaders who do little but drive down property values. From their point of view, this was very true, as they just ate huge losses on their homes moving out. The blacks were of the opinion that the whites in the suburbs were trying to own, repress, and exploit them. Which, from their point of view was also very true. The riots were spurred by a bungled police raid on a group of blacks led by a largely white police force, led by a white mayor... Thus setting the stage for Coleman Young's runaway popularity. He wasn't afraid of whitey.

Moving forward, the whites basically kind of ignored the city of Detroit, and went back about building new communities around the rim of the old city... (They could do this, they were already established...) While the residents of the city didn't want any part of the "outsiders interfering." Sadly, this largely meant they cut off their own economy and chances to prosper. And that's how and why the borders got drawn up. And they've stayed there. During the boom times, you could gloss over things like that... Wayne County and the State of Michigan could float the city. But it's clear that is a sub-par arrangement. And in bad times, it's gonna crumble. And here we are.
 
The Detroit News has a native's look at how Detroit's problems should be a warning to the country.

Also, a point I should have made in the last paragraph in my previous post... (Or probably the parent post to that...)
Three of Detroit's five largest employers? The City of Detroit (#2), Detroit Public Schools (#4), US Government (#5). The entire big 3 employs less than 8,000 people in the city. There is only one big-3 plant within city limits.
http://www.degc.org/major-employers.aspx
(Numbers 1 and 3 are hospitals, for those who are interested.)
 
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Ah, good ole Corktown... I'd guess that picture is pretty much spot-on for the date, based on the configuration of Tiger Stadium. (Err... Briggs Stadium it was named back then. Doesn't look like I see any lights. Those were added in 1948.)

Kind of an unfair picture of Detroit 2010, as that appears to be just generic blight. I don't even think it's near Corktown, as that looks like maybe the Penobscot in the distant background on the right, which would make this somewhere on the old west side. I can't find a recent aerial picture of Corktown. Here's the Google Street view down Michigan Ave. from Cochrane, which would be the right-front corner of the stadium as shown in the 1945 picture. (The grassy field is the location of old Tiger Stadium -- the base paths are still there.)

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Yup, Detroit's an interesting place. Some sanity, some insanity, some WTF? lol...
 
I'd LOVE it if the world were so easy and black and white as just vote out all the Dems and problem is solved. Unfortunately, the reality of the world is, that it's grey. While Dems contributed to this so did the, often, conservative leadership of industry. 2000-2009 Bush Era was one of the largest declines in manufacturing the USA has seen. 25% of manufacturing jobs left Detroit. Dems reigning in spending with that decrease in revenue was certainly a leading cause. Why the revenue was decreasing was a nationwide and worldwide economic problem. Since the 60s Germany and Japan have become the auto manufacturing leaders and outstrip Detroit. Some of it is of their own creation as quality of manufacturing has lead us to average driving 11 year old automobiles where in the 80s-90s that was 8 years. Detroit was an 'old' industry town hinged on 1 primary industry. When that went in the economy, of course the town went too.

I think the lesson here is no community should build itself on single industry. Treat it like an investment and make sure there's broad diversification in our communities.
 
I think the lesson here is no community should build itself on single industry. Treat it like an investment and make sure there's broad diversification in our communities.
While I don't disagree with that statement... There is a point that bears repeating. Detroit was not a 1 industry town. Detroit was a NO industry town. And has been for a significant amount of time. If there's any "industry" that is actually employing people in Detroit, it's the health industry.

Three of Detroit's five largest employers? The City of Detroit (#2), Detroit Public Schools (#4), US Government (#5). The entire big 3 employs less than 8,000 people in the city. There is only one big-3 plant within city limits.
http://www.degc.org/major-employers.aspx
Numbers 1 and 3 are hospitals. Yup, there are two different hospital systems that each employ more people in the city than the entire automotive industry combined.
 
Perhaps it's a verb sensitivity but Detroit was indeed a 1 industry town. It has become, over the 20 years or so, a no industry town. That's the point - the problem has been writing on the wall. We can blame the local government for not being dynamic enough to respond to changes. But, the need to respond was caused by the changes. Local Dems are a problem. But, that's far short of the whole picture.
 
It has become, over the 20 years or so, a no industry town.

No, it became a no industry town more than 20 years ago. The 60's were boom times, right? Not for the City of Detroit. From 1967 to 1985 -- a time of prosperity for much of the country, Detroit shed more than 120,000 manufacturing jobs.

There hasn't been manufacturing in the city of Detroit in a long time. Care to take a guess how many plants in the City of Detroit were closed in the GM and Chrysler restructurings? Would it surprise you to know that answer is actually 0?
 
No, it became a no industry town more than 20 years ago. The 60's were boom times, right? Not for the City of Detroit. From 1967 to 1985 -- a time of prosperity for much of the country, Detroit shed more than 120,000 manufacturing jobs.
From 2000-2008 the American Manufacturing Trade Action Coalition stated over 489K jobs were lost in Michigan. 3x worse and in 8 years instead of 18. They listed Detroit-Livonia as topping the manufacturing job loss in the State. May I ask - Being a Detroit resident how do they count for jobs in 'Detroit' or the Tax base?
 
From 2000-2008 the American Manufacturing Trade Action Coalition stated over 489K jobs were lost in Michigan. 3x worse and in 8 years instead of 18. They listed Detroit-Livonia as topping the manufacturing job loss in the State.

Livonia is a separate city. Livonia is not part of the City of Detroit. Now, if you're arguing about what has happened to the greater Metropolitan Area, Livonia is a relevant figure. Of course, Livonia isn't bankrupt, and is doing fairly well. The City of Detroit is bankrupt. And has been for a long time. The State of Michigan and Wayne County have been floating it for the better part of my life. So, really, the cities like Livonia were what was floating the City of Detroit.

As I said, it is confusing, as "Detroit" can mean either the city, or the greater Metro Detroit area. And those two things are greatly different. Metro Detroit is actually doing a little better, outside of Detroit, itself. The bankruptcy is the City of Detroit. Not Metro Detroit, or Wayne County, or the State of Michigan. (All of which, in addition to the Big 3 automakers all get called "Detroit" at various times.)

May I ask - Being a Detroit resident how do they count for jobs in 'Detroit' or the Tax base?

The relevant figures for jobs in the City of Detroit and the Tax Base are determined by the numbers used in City of Detroit taxes. I live in the Metro Detroit area, but as I neither live nor work in the actual City of Detroit, I would not be considered part of the City of Detroit's tax base. Even though the taxes I pay to Wayne County mostly go into the money pit that is the City of Detroit.

The real cause of Detroit's bankruptcy was Wayne County, State, and Federal funds have dried up for the City of Detroit. Without those, the City of Detroit would have been bankrupt decades ago.
 
Thanks for clearing that up.

And yeah there's a few cities similar to Detroit. Not in size of amount but in impending bankruptcies. I know some here are from Alabama. If my recall is correct there was about 4 or so cities there with similar bankruptcy issues in recent times. And Wisconsin isn't bankrupt but the Republican leadership is certainly achieving a drop in State quality.
 
Thanks for clearing that up.

And yeah there's a few cities similar to Detroit. Not in size of amount but in impending bankruptcies. I know some here are from Alabama. If my recall is correct there was about 4 or so cities there with similar bankruptcy issues in recent times. And Wisconsin isn't bankrupt but the Republican leadership is certainly achieving a drop in State quality.
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politicians like to blame Connecticut’s decline on things beyond their control like factory closings, but there’s nothing new about losing employers. Change has been the natural order of things since the beginning of time. Employers go away because better technologies come along, old businesses weren’t managed as effectively as new competitors, businesses have been acquired or merged with operations located elsewhere, labor unions priced themselves out of world markets, consumer preferences changed, other jurisdictions offered better business climates

“For the record,” the New York Times declared, “not everyone in Connecticut is a crook. But this is no longer obvious.”
 
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