"Teh true leader" to indoctrinate your children?

redrumloa said:
Hmm, here is a tidbit to get the libs angry too.

Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.
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You mean there's a bit you don't get angry at?
Let's be honest, if he didn't drop that meaningless bromide in at the end of his speeches he'd be "crucified". Why? Well partly because of indoctrination. :roflmao:

"One [indoctra]Nation Under (In) God (We Trust)!"

Of course, all kinds of indoctrination are disgusting, eh Jim? ;-)
 
the real reason those assholes are afraid of thier kids listening to the President is that they are racist.

pure and simple.

when bush was prersident is didn't matter what bumbling, inarticulate nonsense he said to anyone. He was happily accepted by these idiots. no questions asked.

now that we have an intelligent, educated man who learned from his difficult childhood and overcame those tough times to achieve something in his life the crackers don't want some darky talkin' to their kids because he will fill their heads with THOUGHTS.

to my friends in Europe I'm sorry you have to see the worse of America constantly coming to the fore like this.
 
redrumloa said:
faethor said:
Here's the fearful speech that makes us run, hide and lock up our children. LINK
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The speech is not the main problem. You miss the point entirely.

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Hmm, here is a tidbit to get the libs angry too.

Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.
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in MY Constitution everyone is allowed whatever religious feelings they like and the gov has no say in it. even politians get to have (private) religious feelings (as long as they don't try to pass laws supporting any religion over another). and I don't mind it a bit.

I guess it's because i'm not a "lib" (whatever the {bleep} that is) or anything else. I'm just American (in the thomas jefferson sense)
 
redrumloa said:
Oh course YOU missed the point entirely, that is a given.
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You'll need to explain what this point is we're missing.

Bush 2, read books, My Pet Goat, to kids. Bush 1 had broadcast into schools. Reagan did too. In the case of Reagan we saw indoctrination as he presented his Tax policies.

So really, please describe to us why Conservatives loved their Presidents and this was all okay. Where Obama encouraging kids to stay in school and work hard is scary let's hide the children. And present it in a way that ensures the group not look like a big fat pile of crying hypocrites or closet racists.
 
cecilia said:
in MY Constitution everyone is allowed whatever religious feelings they like and the gov has no say in it. even politians get to have (private) religious feelings (as long as they don't try to pass laws supporting any religion over another). and I don't mind it a bit.

I guess it's because i'm not a "lib" (whatever the {bleep} that is) or anything else. I'm just American (in the thomas jefferson sense)
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Conservatives tell us over and over how our school children are capable of deep and independent thought. How we should teach the debate over creationism vs evolution and allow the children to make up their own minds. But if the President should present a challenge of staying in school and working hard conversative children are incapable of independent thought. They'll collapse under the awesome weight of Obama's arguements. One must ask... Why do conservatives not respect their children as thoughtful independent beings?
 
cecilia said:
the real reason those assholes are afraid of thier kids listening to the President is that they are racist.
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It's not even that. It's that people are easily lead and PR companies and political operatives know how to use influence channels and scare words. Racism is just one of the useful knee-jerks that can be tapped but it isn't the only one.

There is money and focus groups behind this. Left to their own devices they would have completely ignored the speech to school children as just another one of the speeches by Presidents that have gone before.

However, the right wing political machine is pulling all its old tricks, shoving scare words through the pulpits and church groups it controls, and the media outlets it owns to focus on proven smears like "socialist" and "indoctrinate". Then they take any public reaction that picks this up, stick it on the news and claim that it is evidence of a movement. If you get enough momentum you end up with folks jumping on the band wagon just because they want to fit in with what they think most people think. It's a very basic propaganda attack and very simple to do once you own all the media.

Remember before the Iraq war when millions of people marched for peace in the US, i.e. against the coming war? Well, maybe a lot of people don't remember that because it hardly made the news. Millions of people march and it gets about 2 minutes of news coverage a week. Then when a (politically connected) radio station orchestrated a protest of the Dixie Chicks for criticizing Bush (even though it was pretty much a national pastime to do so) the few hundred people who showed up became a national story - and a spontaneous "movement".
 
redrumloa said:
The speech is not the main problem.
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Obviously not as the speech itself is a Republican wet dream. All of the "It doesn't matter where you started out: you alone are responsible for where you end up" is classic stuff. Just TRY to disagree with that without sounding like a bleeding heart far lefty.

BTW, there is NO WAY you can indoctrinate all the school kids in the country with a single speech. The belief that it is possible implies that Barack is some kind of hypno-guru who can change peoples' character with his remote control mental rays or some such nonsense.

No, to properly indoctrinate children you need to have them under your influence for years - in schools. It's not a speech by the Prez that indoctrinates, it's the schools themselves. The right-wing/fundy alliance knows this all to well which is why they keep trying to take over school boards so that they can teach your kids that dinosaurs roamed the earth at the same time as Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich.
 
Not sure what the uproar is about. Reagan & Bush Sr. addressed school children on their first day as well. And W was so good at reading books to kids he could do it even when holding the book upside down. In fact, what was he doing at the very moment the twin towers were attacked? Hmmm... Ya, shame on Obama for resorting to Republican tactics once again!
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
BTW, there is NO WAY you can indoctrinate all the school kids in the country with a single speech. The belief that it is possible implies that Barack is some kind of hypno-guru who can change peoples' character with his remote control mental rays or some such nonsense.
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Conservatives are the type of people who believe one speech is all it takes to make people liberal, gay, lesbian or Hispanic.
 
cecilia said:
the real reason those assholes are afraid of thier kids listening to the President is that they are racist.

pure and simple.
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I won't deny that some of the far right "wingbats" certainly fall into your generalization but I cannot agree on the whole. Let us not forget that back in the early 90's Bush senior gave a similar speech only that time it was the Dems (majority) in power who tried (unsuccessfully) to have Bush investigated..

It's (childish) politics. I kind of wish that Republicans would have stayed quiet regarding the original "lesson plan" as they could have used that to great effect after the (original) speech. :banana:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
ltstanfo said:
It's (childish) politics.
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And bad tactics to demonize someone for what you think they are about to say.

I kind of wish that Republicans would have stayed quiet regarding the original "lesson plan" as they could have used that to great effect after the (original) speech.
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I am not entirely sure that the White House didn't have a hand in the whole debacle. It's conceivable that the original "lesson plan" was never the real lesson plan but just a ploy to make the short sighted ragers bust a blood vessel and make themselves look ridiculous. In that sense it would be pretty much the same thing they did to Rush to get him to further marginalize himself and embarrass his party at the same time.
 
cecilia said:
the real reason those assholes are afraid of thier kids listening to the President is that they are racist.

pure and simple.

when bush was prersident is didn't matter what bumbling, inarticulate nonsense he said to anyone. He was happily accepted by these idiots. no questions asked.

now that we have an intelligent, educated man who learned from his difficult childhood and overcame those tough times to achieve something in his life the crackers don't want some darky talkin' to their kids because he will fill their heads with THOUGHTS.

to my friends in Europe I'm sorry you have to see the worse of America constantly coming to the fore like this.
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:roll:
 
faethor said:
redrumloa said:
Oh course YOU missed the point entirely, that is a given.
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You'll need to explain what this point is we're missing.

Bush 2, read books, My Pet Goat, to kids. Bush 1 had broadcast into schools. Reagan did too. In the case of Reagan we saw indoctrination as he presented his Tax policies.

So really, please describe to us why Conservatives loved their Presidents and this was all okay. Where Obama encouraging kids to stay in school and work hard is scary let's hide the children. And present it in a way that ensures the group not look like a big fat pile of crying hypocrites or closet racists.
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Let us go back and actually read my post again.

Most disturbing is that the White House has collaborated with the Department of Education to distribute a study guide to accompany the speech. The guide is chalk full of writing assignments for students, including an instruction for students to write a letter to themselves about what they can do to help President Obama.

For kids in grades seven through twelve, the study guide suggests teachers prepare by excerpting quotes from Obama's speeches on education for their students to contemplate questions like “Why does President Obama want to speak with us today?” As well as “How will he inspire us?” And “How will he challenge us?”

Playing the race card is for people who have failed in all other arguments. Very sad, really. Waah! People don't like something my democrat president is doing! They are a racist!! :roll:
 
Glaucus said:
Not sure what the uproar is about. Reagan & Bush Sr. addressed school children on their first day as well. And W was so good at reading books to kids he could do it even when holding the book upside down. In fact, what was he doing at the very moment the twin towers were attacked? Hmmm... Ya, shame on Obama for resorting to Republican tactics once again!
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Did not a single person read the original post before replying?
 
Glaucus said:
Conservatives are the type of people who believe one speech is all it takes to make people liberal, gay, lesbian or Hispanic.
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The whole lot of you are a sad bunch at times. Can't get past the headlines, getting intoxicated on the idea of insulting something you do not understand.

I will say one more time and then I give up on you people. The speech was not the big deal.

THE PROBLEM WAS WITH THE GOVERNMENT PROVIDED WRITING ASSIGNMENTS. THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO LEGAL RIGHT TO IMPOSE THEIR VIEWS ON CHILDREN. DON'T CONFORM AND WRITE WHAT THE GOV IS LOOKING FOR, GET A BAD GRADE.

Our society is fucked with drive by opinions on display by weak minded people.
 
redrumloa said:
Our society is fucked with drive by opinions on display by weak minded people.
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Now no one asked you to bring either the Tea Baggers or Fox TV into this.

As for a more serious note. The writing assignment was optional. Material created by the Department of Education as an option for teachers to use if they so choose. The material of fear can be found here.

Being a school kid in 1976. I can recall the year of patrotism dripping from every facet of our material.

It's over. Wednesday we get to hear the horrors of attempting to fix a healthcare system that leads to 1/2 the bankrupcies and a growing 14K/day more uninsured. I hope Obama steals from Bill Moyers. ' Health is a condition, not a commodity.'
 
redrumloa said:
Oh gee, I have no idea why people were concerned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqcPA1ysSbw

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Wow. That really is deliciously subversive. So many of those pledges chip away at the control structures and profit centers of the nations elite -

but the pledge to Obama is a little sycophantic. Pledge to the people, yes; to the country, yes; to a leader? No, not so much. Mind you, that wasn't so much an Obama video as it was a fan video so on that level it's understandable. However, I agree, they shouldn't have been so fawning. It's unseemly and a little creepy.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
I am not entirely sure that the White House didn't have a hand in the whole debacle. It's conceivable that the original "lesson plan" was never the real lesson plan but just a ploy to make the short sighted ragers bust a blood vessel and make themselves look ridiculous. In that sense it would be pretty much the same thing they did to Rush to get him to further marginalize himself and embarrass his party at the same time.
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An interesting thought and I cannot say that they did not have a hand in the whole debacle. I think it unlikely however as the lesson plan was quickly pulled after the public outcry (short sighted ragers or otherwise). It also didn't help the administration in the way that they quickly pulled the lesson plan. "Short sighted ragers" or others, it only added fuel to the fire. Now we have the president changing tack to try and regain his lost momentum. In any event the speech (as presented) was a "non-issue" as far as I am concerned, energy wasted that should have been held for the health care debate.

As for Rush, say what you will but I don't see him as being marginalized within the Republican party. As for embarressing the Republican party, they are doing a good enough job on their own. :wink:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
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