Terror attack in BC thwarted

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2 charged in alleged 'al-Qaeda-inspired' Canada Day bomb plot

Two B.C. residents have been charged in an alleged al-Qaeda-inspired Canada Day terror plot that involved pressure cooker bombs similar to the ones used in the Boston Marathon bombings.

Amanda Marie Korody, 30, and John Stewart Nuttall, 39, both of Surrey, B.C., have each been charged with conspiracy to commit an indictable offence, knowingly facilitating a terrorist activity and possession of an explosive substance.
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I've yet to hear of any good coming out of Surrey.
 
That's pretty good banter. You two sound like you're locals :D

As to the terror plot, the RCMP was in control of the bomb making all along. Sounds like another one of these. The real crime is that they gave Christy Clark an opportunity to get on TV.
 
Muslims worried about profiling fallout from tomorrow's bombing.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
That's pretty good banter. You two sound like you're locals :D
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eh, Vancouver is cosmopolitan enough to accept anyone calling it home. ;)

As to the terror plot, the RCMP was in control of the bomb making all along. Sounds like another one of these.
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Nah, the RCMP and police handle these things the way they should. Arresting people for conspiracy in the early stages is likely to never even come to trial. They have to wait for them to make a move and swoop in just at the right time so that bad guys are caught in the act and at the same time no one gets hurt. This is how it should be done and I'd give the RCMP a gold star for that.

If I were to blame anyone I'd blame all those left leaning conspiracy theorists who intentionally poison people's brains. Social liberals like to think of themselves as the polar opposite of the right wing war mongering nut jobs, but there certainly are militant liberals and the West Coast appears to be a natural magnate for them. Much of the anti-war movement has become an anti-America movement and America is blamed for everything under the sun. Everything is a conspiracy, we are the bad guys and those who are killing us are the good guys. This couple in Surrey certainly got radicalized but probably not from direct (or indirect) contact with al-Qaeda or their affiliates. Most likely their entire belief system was invented and distributed by the very people they targeted - and both are too stupid to realize it.
 
Glaucus said:
eh, Vancouver is cosmopolitan enough to accept anyone calling it home. ;)

Nah, the RCMP and police handle these things the way they should. Arresting people for conspiracy in the early stages is likely to never even come to trial. They have to wait for them to make a move and swoop in just at the right time so that bad guys are caught in the act and at the same time no one gets hurt.
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Right, but they don't want to do that because then they could be watching people forever and never have them do anything actionable and that is why they have to step in and help them build bombs.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Right, but they don't want to do that because then they could be watching people forever and never have them do anything actionable and that is why they have to step in and help them build bombs.
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Only in the left wing extremists imagination that in reality is what radicalizes people into taking actual concrete steps to blow up their fellow citizens.
 
Glaucus said:
Only in the left wing extremists imagination that in reality is what radicalizes people into taking actual concrete steps to blow up their fellow citizens.
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In the article you linked it said:

Police said the threat was real but at no time was the public at risk, as the threat was detected early and disrupted. Police added they were in tight control as the devices were constructed."

In a previous case in Canada and in some in the us we have heard of this "control" extended to providing inert materials so the bombs would be harmless.
 
Glaucus said:
Only in the left wing extremists imagination that in reality is what radicalizes people into taking actual concrete steps to blow up their fellow citizens.
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BTW, it didn't slip past me that you are making a dangerous and damaging accusation by innuendo. This is not the climate nor medium to be making such jokes.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
In the article you linked it said:

Police said the threat was real but at no time was the public at risk, as the threat was detected early and disrupted. Police added they were in tight control as the devices were constructed."

In a previous case in Canada and in some in the us we have heard of this "control" extended to providing inert materials so the bombs would be harmless.
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Yes, fully aware of that. Don't see an issue though. You're making the implication that if it weren't for the covert police interference, they would never have ever made a bomb and if they did they'd never have planted it. The FBI could have done the same with the Boston bombers and prevented the deaths of innocent people and you'd make the same implication as well. But there's really no reason to believe that to be the case. The Boston bombers have proven that it's perfectly possibly to build and detonate a bomb without police assistance, as well as proved that they don't need police encouragement to go through with it. What really matters is that this couple intended to kill people when they placed a bomb in a public place.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
BTW, it didn't slip past me that you are making a dangerous and damaging accusation by innuendo. This is not the climate nor medium to be making such jokes.
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What's dangerous are the things you say yourself. I personally have no idea how much influence you possess, but I know there are certainly plenty of people who think and speak like you. It's not so much what any specific person says or does, but this community of like minded individuals build up an alternative reality that is passed around in the most negligent manner possible not taking into account the mental stability of some of those who might take it in and what they may end up doing because of that. A dangerous idea is no different than a dangerous weapon because the two will eventually find each other and the results are always news worthy. So yes, I do place the blame for the actions of this Surrey couple on those people who propagate lies either intentionally or not - just as I blame Jenny McCarthy for spreading lies about vaccines that ultimately hurt people.
 
A dangerous idea is no different than a dangerous weapon...
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Except that it is. Very different.

I think I know what you're getting at (and, if so, I agree) but equating the two is probably not the best way to put it. ;)
 
Robert said:
Except that it is. Very different.

I think I know what you're getting at (and, if so, I agree) but equating the two is probably not the best way to put it. ;)
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Yes, overall you are correct. When I wrote that I was thinking of a crazy person. You can plant an idea in a crazy person's mind and expect something bad to come of it. Likewise, you can hand a crazy person a weapon and something bad will come of that as well. The rest is just details.
 
Glaucus said:
Yes, fully aware of that. Don't see an issue though. You're making the implication that if it weren't for the covert police interference, they would never have ever made a bomb and if they did they'd never have planted it.
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If they could have made a bomb they likely would have planted it. They may well have planted it in crowded places where it could have killed and maimed people like at some of the many fireworks shows were people crowded together and there was cover of darkness. If they were morons they might instead have chosen the BC legislature, a place likely to be crawling with security and politicians desperately in need of public sympathy. But that's besides the point. Again referring to the article Christy "Clark told CBC's Rosemary Barton that the RCMP intervened early and made sure that the bombs were of no potential harm to anyone."
Perhaps she misspoke but that makes it sound like the police helped the two idiots build a dud which they somehow failed to detect by ... like testing one? These were not a pair of brainiacs and they were already known to the police for a previous robbery 18 months before. Hey, he's known to the police, thinks he'll outsmart them, build a bomb and get away with it. They were "self radicalized" going from Satanism to Islam apparently.

The FBI could have done the same with the Boston bombers and prevented the deaths of innocent people and you'd make the same implication as well. But there's really no reason to believe that to be the case. The Boston bombers have proven that it's perfectly possibly to build and detonate a bomb without police assistance, as well as proved that they don't need police encouragement to go through with it.
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Indeed. And at least if you don't involve the police you can build a bomb that has a chance of working. The interesting thing about the Boston bomb is that the guys were associated with real terrorists, were pointed out to the FBI by Russia and were subsequently (apparently) left alone to build their bomb. On the other hand, morons like the two in this case seem to be not entirely unusual in terms of the types of people the FBI and the RCMP manage to drag up and arrest. There was that bunch of idiots in the states a while back that were too dumb to carry out a plot so the FBI had an informant shepherd them and the bunch of guys in Ontario a few years back who were building a big fertilizer bomb that the RCMP informant was helping them build (again a dud). In both cases the investigators contacted, encouraged and planned the attacks and sourced the materials. It's what passes for a sting these days.

What really matters is that this couple intended to kill people when they placed a bomb in a public place.
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What really matters is whether they would have done this on their own. The way a lot of these stings and (considering that real terrorists tend to be smarter and have outside backing) perhaps all of them work is you find some disaffected numb-nuts who is angry at the world (but impotent) and you offer him an opportunity to raise his profile in the world and to get some revenge at the same time. These people are just yearning to feel a part of something and to be recognized by someone powerful to do service. That's the psychological hook that is often used and it is incredibly effective - at generating favourable news announcements. The gradual falling apart of the cases after the fact is generally only followed by ... lefty radicals.

The common name for the ploy is the "Big Man".
 
Good work by the police! Hopefully Canada can get new laws like the Patriot Act and NDAA so they can be safe like us Americans.
 
redrumloa said:
Good work by the police! Hopefully Canada can get new laws like the Patriot Act and NDAA so they can be safe like us Americans.
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i don't think canada needs to worry much... we have them under our wing of protection, you know like drillbit taylor... :D... we know the NSA is "safe guarding " all of their telecommunications too and i'm sure we could drone strike em with a quickness if we wanted too...:D... it seems to be lawful... you know because we said so... :rolleyes:
 
Since the mid-1980s Canada has had the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) that acts much like the NSA but I'm not sure that it has as many restrictions as does the NSA. From what I know anything that falls under national security is fair game for CSIS.

And Canada does have laws similar to patriot act: Canadian Anti-Terrorism Act and Combating Terrorism Act. They do have sunset clauses which means the acts will expire after a certain amount of time. In fact, the Canadian Anti-Terrorism Act has expired and for a while we had nothing in place until Harper pushed the Combating Terrorism Act through shortly after the Boston bombings. Fluffy will likely disagree with me on this, but I don't see a conspiratorial link there - just Harper exploiting a tragic event and nothing more. Hopefully when it expires in 5 years Harper won't be around to renew it.
 
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