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cecilia said:
I'm sensing hypocrisy here. of course, these women are "brown" and that's considered less than human by people in this administration, so.... it doesn't matter to them

Immigrant Miscarriages in ICE Detention Have Nearly Doubled Under Trump
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Since the previous policy was not to detain pregnant women but the current policy allows it, then the only way the rate could double is if it is still zero. Alternatively, perhaps the former policy allowed for the detention of pregnant men but since this administration defines adult human females as women, those formerly miscarrying as men would now be counted as women.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Since the previous policy was not to detain pregnant women but the current policy allows it, then the only way the rate could double is if it is still zero. Alternatively, perhaps the former policy allowed for the detention of pregnant men but since this administration defines adult human females as women, those formerly miscarrying as men would now be counted as women.
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The third and most likely explanation is the fact that illegal immigration at the southern border is exponentially higher in recent years. The current Soros and UN funded caravans from countries south of Mexico's border are unprecedented.
 
redrumloa said:
The third and most likely explanation is the fact that illegal immigration at the southern border is exponentially higher in recent years. The current Soros and UN funded caravans from countries south of Mexico's border are unprecedented.
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I was just pointing out the maths. If no pregnant women were detained under the old regime then the miscarriage rate must have been zero. If it has now doubled then it must still be zero.
The report is using a non standard form of arithmetic or the data are not being presented accurately.
 
Thanks To NYC’s Abortion Law, Ax Murderer Who Nearly Decapitated A 20-Year-Old Faces No Charge For The Death Of Her Unborn Child

On Sunday, Jerry was charged with murder, attempted murder, and criminal possession of a weapon — the ax.

21-year-old Angela was left fighting for her life due to several massive lacerations, one of which was made to the back of her head. She also received gashes to her chest, arms, stomach, and throat.

Savannah was nearly decapitated and pronounced dead at the scene. The mom of three-year-old Sebastian was nine weeks pregnant.

A friend lamented to the New York Post:

“We lost two lives. She was happy about [the pregnancy]. She was happy to have another child.”​

Jerry won’t serve a single day for the loss of Savannah’s unborn child.

The Creepa and Angela began dating as recently as one month ago.

Prior to his ax murdering, he’d been arrested 13 times.

Angela remains in critical condition.

She has a 4-year-old daughter, Alaina.
 
redrumloa said:
Democrat on Abortion: ‘Some Kids Are Unwanted, So You Kill Them Now or You Kill Them Later’

No kid should EVER be unwanted. Really shows the difference between the Pro-Abortion people, and the Anti-Abortion people.
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John Rogers said:
"You bring them in the world unwanted, unloved, you send them to the electric chair."
He wasn't saying that's what he does, or what should be done, but was addressing the Republican side of the house in the Alabama legislature. His point is pretty clear and not complicated. This is a decades old debate and we've talked about it before. There is a pro-life section of the populace (often religious) that are all for saving babies, and killing adults, anti-abortion but pro-death penalty. They have the moral argument that babies are innocent and criminals aren't (even though DNA shows many death row inmates are innocent), but there are further consequences that also result in suffering and death from insisting on birth for every embryo).

In a certain way pro-lifers are just like liberal bleeding hearts in that they call for an obvious good (saving babies, helping refugees, helping the poor, disaster relief etc), but they want other people to bear the cost. This is particularly cruel when the conditions of life are hard, incomes are low and you can't send your children out to work when they are 5, and especially where the child is only barely viable - who will require intensive permanent care imposing financial burdens on parents (or a parent) who can't manage it all to prolong a life that may not even be worth living.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
John Rogers said:
"You bring them in the world unwanted, unloved, you send them to the electric chair."
He wasn't saying that's what he does, or what should be done, but was addressing the Republican side of the house in the Alabama legislature. His point is pretty clear and not complicated. This is a decades old debate and we've talked about it before. There is a pro-life section of the populace (often religious) that are all for saving babies, and killing adults, anti-abortion but pro-death penalty. They have the moral argument that babies are innocent and criminals aren't (even though DNA shows many death row inmates are innocent), but there are further consequences that also result in suffering and death from insisting on birth for every embryo).

In a certain way pro-lifers are just like liberal bleeding hearts in that they call for an obvious good (saving babies, helping refugees, helping the poor, disaster relief etc), but they want other people to bear the cost. This is particularly cruel when the conditions of life are hard, incomes are low and you can't send your children out to work when they are 5, and especially where the child is only barely viable - who will require intensive permanent care imposing financial burdens on parents (or a parent) who can't manage it all to prolong a life that may not even be worth living.
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There is a pro-abortion section of the populace (often NPCs) that are all for killing babies, and celebrating murderers and terrorists, pro-abortion but anti-death penalty. Many of these same people will do a mock funeral procession into a grocery store, March to the dairy isle, and with dead eyes start chanting that "milk is not food, it is violence, all while wearing "Shout Your Abortion" tee shirts. A human baby in the womb feels pain as early as 13 weeks, yet pro-abortion activists was full term, delivered, umbilical cord cut, fully self viable babies to be a mother's "choice" if they are executed. The next step of course would be infanticide up to 3 years old kids, which has been proposed in ethics journals and even defended in some corners.

Your "barely viable" reference is a straw man. More than 99% of abortions are purely elective. Doctors also lie to push abortions. I know this VERY well first hand and from friends. What happens is the doctor will tell the pregnant mother that "test shows a high chance of XYZ crippling disorder". In each and every situation the baby was delivered 100% healthy. Tell this to a selfish, soulless NPC? Instant abortion.

Besides, why should we allow doctors to play god? Thomas Edison was considered a retard as a kid. Stephen Hawking had ALS. Some estimates put boys being diagnosed with Autism as high as 1 in 35.

The truth is obvious. Abortion mills are not in highly affluent areas. They are in black neighborhoods (human weeds as Planned Parenthood founder called them) and lower class neighborhoods. The real reason has been stated in the UN, the Georgia Guidestones and other areas quite clearly.

  1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
They want to eradicate 94% of the world's population. Not the top 1% and their friends of course, but everyone else has to go.
 
redrumloa said:
There is a pro-abortion section of the populace (often NPCs) that are all for killing babies, and celebrating murderers and terrorists, pro-abortion but anti-death penalty....
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I was just correcting the misleading framing of John Rogers' words. John Rogers said they were brought into the world unwanted and that the political right insists that they be born but not bear responsibility for how they are raised and insist on the right to execute them later. Maybe they SHOULDN'T be unwanted, but are you going to do something about it? Are you going to want them? How much are you willing to pay to raise them? What percentage of your income should be put towards making sure they have a good chance of succeeding in life?
 
How one of America's largest black denominations is campaigning against abortion

Black churches across the nation are engaging in a campaign against abortion that involves not only political advocacy against groups like Planned Parenthood but also the provision of resources to vulnerable mothers who choose to give birth.

The Church of God in Christ (COGIC), a Pentecostal-Holiness denomination with over 6.5 million members across the globe, is stressing upon churches the need for them to serve as “landing pads” that assist women facing unwanted pregnancies and the need to engage the dark realities of abortion’s impact on the black community.

Through its Family Life Campaign launched in 2015, COGIC is partnering with Human Coalition, a nationwide network of pro-life crisis pregnancy clinics, to reach and serve African-American women who would have otherwise “walked in the doors of Planned Parenthood” or another abortion clinic.

The Family Life Campaign is believed to be the first sustained pro-life campaign launched by a major black denomination in the U.S.

“Quite honestly, many denominations — white and predominantly black denominations — have not taken a stand and literally said, ‘This is what we stand for,’” Leslie Monet, the international director of COGIC’s Family Life Campaign, told The Christian Post.

“But we recognize that Margaret Sanger, who founded Planned Parenthood, was a deeply racist woman. She [advocated] for populations to be decreased because she thought that they were unfit. And that includes the African American community. Throughout history, Planned Parenthood has sought to fulfill Margaret Sanger’s legacy and aimed for our community. And that's why it is important to the Church of God in Christ.”

The Family Life Campaign was launched by COGIC’s Presiding Bishop Charles Blake, who voiced concern about what’s happening to children today as data shows that black women disproportionately account for more than one-third of all abortions in the United States.

And in a place like New York City, abortions' impact on the black community is so great that the number of black babies aborted in the city outnumbers the babies actually born.

Monet said that throughout the nation, COGIC church volunteers have counseled countless women in hopes of making choices for life.
 
Speelgoedmannetje said:
This is not legal here. You're being lied to.
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It has been updated.

Editor’s note: This article has been updated to remove the suggestion that Noa Pothoven died as a result of euthanasia efforts.

Can't trust Yahoo News I suppose.
 
I hate this topic but I'm not an NPC. The tide hasn't just turned, but it is a tsunami. Do you know anyone who has had an abortion? They carry baggage. This poor woman obviously carries that baggage. There are real emotions in her reaction. Rightwing schadenfreude here is wildly misplaced.


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