The Obama narcissism complex running out of control!

Robert said:
Bush got pretty easy time until it became obvious he was going to invade Iraq.

I guess you don't remember the whole 2000 election nonsense and claims Bush stole the election? There was around the clock whining starting before he was inaugurated. I'm not saying specifically you, but there was no end to that nonsense.
 
White House aide resigns over NYC flyover

By PHILIP ELLIOTT

WASHINGTON - The White House official who authorized a $328,835 photo-op of Air Force One soaring above New York City resigned Friday just weeks after the flyover sparked panicked workers to rush into the streets and flashbacks to Sept. 11. Louis Caldera said the controversy had "made it impossible for me to effectively lead the White House Military Office," which is responsible for presidential aircraft.

"Moreover, it has become a distraction in the important work you are doing as president," Caldera wrote in his resignation letter to President Barack Obama.

An internal White House investigation found missed messages and portrayed an out-of-the-loop Caldera, clearly the administration's fall guy.

The former Army secretary in the Clinton administration said he didn't know Air Force One would fly at 1,000 feet during the April 27 photo shoot that had been planned for weeks. He also failed to read an e-mail message describing the operation and seemed unaware of the potential for public fear, the report said.

Without an advance public notice the morning of April 27, the sight of the huge passenger jet and an F-16 fighter plane flying near the Statue of Liberty and lower Manhattan's financial district terrified New Yorkers, reminding them of the 9/11 terrorist attacks in which jets brought down the two towers of the World Trade Center.

Last month, Obama called the White House embarrassment a "mistake" and vowed it would not be repeated. Obama had no statement Friday; White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the president had accepted Caldera's resignation.

Caldera's office approved the photo-op, which cost $35,000 in fuel alone for the plane and two jet fighter escorts. The Air Force estimated the photo shoot cost taxpayers $328,835.

White House officials said the purpose of the flight was to update the official photo of the plane, known as Air Force One when the president is aboard. In releasing its report and the resignation letter, the White House also released a photo of the blue-and-white plane high above the Statue of Liberty, with New Jersey in the background.

The White House report, which did not address officials' conduct outside the White House, portrayed Caldera as deaf to concerns. After the flight, Caldera met with top administration officials and was asked if the White House had been notified. "The director responded yes, someone had mentioned it to him," according to the report.

Later in the meeting, a White House official presented Caldera a letter accepting responsibility. He made some edits and took responsibility because he thought it was the "stand-up thing to do."

The White House report also indicated the operation was packed with potential opportunities for administration officials to call it off.

Deputy military director George Mulligan said he first told Caldera about the proposed photo shoot on April 20 - a week before it was scheduled to take place. The same aide also said Caldera should notify deputy chief of staff Jim Messina because it was an unusual move.

Caldera told officials he didn't recall the conversation. Ultimately, Caldera didn't tell Messina or Gibbs. "When asked why he failed to do so, he did not offer a coherent explanation," according to the report.

Caldera also told officials that he didn't read an e-mail detailing the flyover plans until it was over. Mulligan, Caldera's second-in-command, sent him an e-mail message on April 24 advising him again to tell Messina and Gibbs about the photo shoot.

Caldera said he hadn't seen the e-mail because he has two official accounts. He also said he was suffering from severe muscle aches and had been prescribed pain medication.

The FAA told local officials in advance of the flight, but asked them not to disclose it to the public. The White House report says that ultimately statements about the flight were prepared for the FAA's New York regional office and for the Air Force in Washington to release if anyone called to ask about the flight.

The report said Mulligan believed "the breakdown was the lack of public notification." Col. Scott Turner, head of the White House military office's presidential airlift group, said "the FAA had taken the lead on public affairs and coordination," according to the report.

FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown declined to comment.

Friday's release is hardly the end of the matter for the White House. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has ordered a review at the Pentagon; the Air Force is conducting its own review as well.

In a May 5 letter to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., Gates apologized for the incident, saying "we deeply regret the anxiety and alarm that resulted from this mission."

McCain posted the letter on his Web site Friday.

"I am concerned that this highly public and visible mission did not include an appropriate review and approval by senior Air Force and (Department of Defense) officials," Gates wrote.

Gibbs said Obama has ordered a review of how the White House Military Office is set up, and how it reports to the White House and the Air Force.

That review, to be conducted by Messina and Gates, will also offer recommendations to Obama designed to ensure that such an incident will not happen again, Gibbs said.

When Obama appointed Caldera to the job during the presidential transition, the then president-elect said: "I know he'll bring to the White House the same dedication and integrity that have earned him the highest praise in every post."

Caldera's resignation takes effect May 22, but he is done at the White House Military Office. He said he will use the two weeks of his employment to complete the necessary steps to leave the White House.
 
Wayne said:
Yes, for the last four years, you've had to put up with people slamming George W Bush. True, but then again, it's a proven fact that in his 8 years, he damned near destroyed this country, so the question is really, "do you want America to survive or not?"

Obama destroys the country in only 100 days!

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Wayne a good example of Obama's failure is in his 17 billion dollar budget "hit list" released yesterday. BTW that's less than .5 of 1% of his $3.4 trillion budget. Bush's 2008 budget was 2.90 trillion.
Leaving aside Obama's half a trillion dollar increase, look at a couple of the items he is using for that measly cut.

Remember back during the primaries when all the Dems (Obama included) used as a talking point that Bush and the Republicans had not done enough to protect US ports from possible incursion of radioactive materials or even nuclear bombs by terrorist using shipping containers.

That one kind of amazed me since it was one of Bush's priorities and no one had done much in that respect until Bush did.

Well guess what?
Obama's hit list would now eliminate spending to buy advanced-generation sensors to detect those nuclear bombs or radioactive materials at U.S. ports and borders.

Here's another on his hit list.
Remember those illegal immigrants that are in prison? Not the ones that are just wetbacks but the ones that have committed crimes like murder, robbery and rape. The federal govt pays the states 400 million dollars a year to house them.
Yep! On the hit list. The states will now have to pick up that cost or turn them loose.

Do you feel safer now? Is your leg still tingling?

Obama is failing now. Why wait four years to admit it!
 
Fade said:
Wayne a good example of Obama's failure is in his 17 billion dollar budget "hit list" released yesterday. BTW that's less than .5 of 1% of his $3.4 trillion budget. Bush's 2008 budget was 2.90 trillion.
Leaving aside Obama's half a trillion dollar increase, look at a couple of the items he is using for that measly cut.
I believe 1 difference on the 2 budgets is Obama includes Iraq and Afganistan within the budget. Bush, except for 1 year, handled these with special funding bills. If memory serves we spent about $200M on the wars in the middle east last year. So does the 2.9B include the special spending riders? If not it's 3.4 vs 3.1.

The blame Obama mentality is amusing. Here we have a guy running the country for ~100 days and he gets the blame for our deficit spending. As is if he didn't inherit -$13T from the last 30 years...

Remember back during the primaries when all the Dems (Obama included) used as a talking point that Bush and the Republicans had not done enough to protect US ports from possible incursion of radioactive materials or even nuclear bombs by terrorist using shipping containers.

The rest of the post appears to be 'dont cut my favorite program' crying. Right now we still see 30% against Obama. I assume those are the same 30% that love Bush. If so, I have no problem cutting all of their programs first afterall we have to eliminate spending.

30%s guess what Military makes up the largest % of the budget. SNIP.

EDIT: The first veto in the US was to prevent government funding of religion. Bush increased religious funding. Obama's first cut should be to cut off this relationship. He won't do it, it'd be suicide.
 
cecilia said:
White House aide resigns over NYC flyover

By PHILIP ELLIOTT

That sounds like a balanced and most likely factual account of the event. Thanks for posting.
 
redrumloa said:
Robert said:
Bush got pretty easy time until it became obvious he was going to invade Iraq.

I guess you don't remember the whole 2000 election nonsense and claims Bush stole the election? There was around the clock whining starting before he was inaugurated.

That's because the Bush team DID steal the election and the evidence that they did is strong and though it has been reported on and covered extensively OUTSIDE of the US, the US media preferred not to ask the probing questions but fell in line (as did the politicians) "for the good of the country".
 
I had two immediate opinions on this story when I read the initial reports days ago. It seemed to have been set up PRECISELY to cause an embarrassing media friendly story. Despite what claims that the problem was failure to notify the correct people, NY authorities said that they HAD been notified but instructed to keep the flyover a secret. It seemed to be set up to cause anxiety and a story on the day so either:

Popular theory : it was all a silly mistake.

Fluffy McTheory 1) It was set up but a stay behind GOP cell in bureaucracy to make Obama look like a goof. Seems like a strange time to do it with no elections coming up right away though it could be just a warning shot about maybe go easier on Israel or keep the lid on the wiretap/torture stuff.

FluffyMcTheory 2) The Whitehouse knew they had a slacker on the team and they could get this thing passed him and have him take the fall for it and it would give them an excuse to initiate reviews of the Pentagon and other branches of government to ferret out Cheney and Likud moles.

Note: I only draw those sharp lines as a sort of a framework to hang the principle threads on. All plays in sport or politics have a general plan but the actual outcome is the result of execution and countermeasures and adaptation and deception.
 
faethor guessed:
"I believe 1 difference on the 2 budgets is Obama includes Iraq and Afganistan within the budget."
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You guessed wrong!
President Obama's is funding Iraq and Afghanistan with a supplemental spending request to Congress just like Bush did.

faethor tried to excuse Obama by saying:
"The blame Obama mentality is amusing. Here we have a guy running the country for ~100 days and he gets the blame for our deficit spending. As is if he didn't inherit -$13T from the last 30 years."
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Overall, President Obama’s budget would add twice as much debt as President Bush over the same number of years.


faethor whined
"The rest of the post appears to be 'dont cut my favorite program' crying."
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Yes it is, but what you failed to say, was it was crying by the Democrats with their "Blame Bush First©" philosophy of "he's not spending enough" on homeland security.


faethor pulled out of thin air for some oddball reason:
"EDIT: The first veto in the US was to prevent government funding of religion."
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No it wasn't!
The first veto in the US was by George Washington. It was an apportionment bill in 1792 on the number of members being given to states for the House of Representatives.

Obama is failing, just like your poor attempt to defend him is.
 
Fade responded in his typical, I'll be overly rude and perhaps I'll win by default as the opposition will just go away, attitude

Fade said:
You guessed wrong!
President Obama's is funding Iraq and Afghanistan with a supplemental spending request to Congress just like Bush did.
A partial guess certainly defined by I believe. But afterall that's what I get for trusting Wrongwing News

faethor tried to excuse Obama by saying:
"The blame Obama mentality is amusing. Here we have a guy running the country for ~100 days and he gets the blame for our deficit spending. As is if he didn't inherit -$13T from the last 30 years."
Oh you so failed on this one. It was $11T grown in Obama's first term to $13T.

faethor pulled out of thin air for some oddball reason:
"EDIT: The first veto in the US was to prevent government funding of religion."
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No it wasn't!
The first veto in the US was by George Washington. It was an apportionment bill in 1792 on the number of members being given to states for the House of Representatives.
Thanks for the correction. James Madison, one of our founding Fathers, vetoed religious spending. Because it exceeds the rightful authority, to which Governments are limited by the essential distinction between Civil and Religious functions A import aspect of the relationship of church and state, IMO.

Obama is failing, just like your poor attempt to defend him is.
Today the population identifies themelves at the rate of 1 in 5 Americans as Republican. Which party is failing?

Mark my words the looney religious and ultra right wing control of the Republican party is going to mitagate them to a minority for at least the next 3 elections.
 
redrumloa said:
cecilia said:
White House aide resigns over NYC flyover

By PHILIP ELLIOTT

That sounds like a balanced and most likely factual account of the event. Thanks for posting.
that's because i don't work for Fox news :mrgreen:
 
faethor said:
Fade responded in his typical, I'll be overly rude and perhaps I'll win by default as the opposition will just go away, attitude

Fallacy: Appeal to Authority
Mom! Fade's rude because he gives facts that contradict me.

:roflmao:

Score card: Fade=3, Faethor=0, Tie=1 (Obama lied, your bank account died)

President Obama promised on the campaign trail that he would have the most transparent administration in history. As part of this commitment, he said that the public would have five days to look online and find out what was in the bills that came to his desk before he signed them. It was his first broken promise, and it's the promise that he keeps on breaking.

President Obama did tell the media, he would not be funding Iraq and Afghanistan with a supplemental spending request to Congress, but that's how he did it in the budget bill that was signed.

Democrats don't actually READ the details of the bills they pass, they just care about the dramatic title, and their personal earmarks of course.
 
cecilia said:
White House aide resigns over NYC flyover

By PHILIP ELLIOTT

WASHINGTON - The White House official who authorized a $328,835 photo-op of Air Force One soaring above New York City resigned Friday just weeks after the flyover sparked panicked workers to rush into the streets and flashbacks to Sept. 11. Louis Caldera said the controversy had "made it impossible for me to effectively lead the White House Military Office," which is responsible for presidential aircraft.

.... rest of article deleted to save space...

Well, at least the mainstream got part of the article correct:

"An internal White House investigation found missed messages and portrayed an out-of-the-loop Caldera, clearly the administration's fall guy."

In the end, Caldera is the guy to blame as his office did have oversight but once again we see Obama's lack of "transparency". Just another embaressment (covered up) for this young administration.

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
metalman said:
Democrats don't actually READ the details of the bills they pass, they just care about the dramatic title, and their personal earmarks of course.

This is a true statement. However, it is also a true statement to say:

"Republicans don't actually READ the details of the bills they pass, they just care about the dramatic title, and their personal earmarks of course."

None of the representatives reads the bills. The industries and special interests that write the bills don't want them read so they make sure that they are large and that there is no time before the vote to read them. Nobody read the PATRIOT act for e.g. and that horrific legislation passed easily.

Bills that have been put forward to ensure time to read the bills tends to get filtered out before it can do any good.
 
ltstanfo said:
cecilia said:
White House aide resigns over NYC flyover

By PHILIP ELLIOTT

WASHINGTON - The White House official who authorized a $328,835 photo-op of Air Force One soaring above New York City resigned Friday just weeks after the flyover sparked panicked workers to rush into the streets and flashbacks to Sept. 11. Louis Caldera said the controversy had "made it impossible for me to effectively lead the White House Military Office," which is responsible for presidential aircraft.

.... rest of article deleted to save space...

Well, at least the mainstream got part of the article correct:

"An internal White House investigation found missed messages and portrayed an out-of-the-loop Caldera, clearly the administration's fall guy."

In the end, Caldera is the guy to blame as his office did have oversight but once again we see Obama's lack of "transparency". Just another embaressment (covered up) for this young administration.

Regards,
Ltstanfo
frankly, that article shows quite a bit of complexity to the situation. it's not just a simple case of picking a fall-guy and letting him die. He really DID make a mistake (a stupid one, but hardly the most serious I've ever seen from a political figure). He didn't cost anyone their career, lives or pensions. Some people got the jitters. boo hoo

As a New Yorker I see this as silly and unfortunate.

anyway, the fact that I found an article that was this detailed actually shows that this administration IS transparent. At least in this case.

How many years did it take for the media to get enough guts to tell the truth about bush/cheney?? I'm still waiting.
 
cecilia said:
frankly, that article shows quite a bit of complexity to the situation. it's not just a simple case of picking a fall-guy and letting him die. He really DID make a mistake (a stupid one, but hardly the most serious I've ever seen from a political figure). He didn't cost anyone their career, lives or pensions. Some people got the jitters. boo hoo

As a New Yorker I see this as silly and unfortunate.

This article indicates that Obama DID indeed know before hand, despite the whitewash after the fact. I got my head chopped off earlier in the thread because some people believed the inaccurate notion that Obama had no idea.
 
redrumloa said:
cecilia said:
frankly, that article shows quite a bit of complexity to the situation. it's not just a simple case of picking a fall-guy and letting him die. He really DID make a mistake (a stupid one, but hardly the most serious I've ever seen from a political figure). He didn't cost anyone their career, lives or pensions. Some people got the jitters. boo hoo

As a New Yorker I see this as silly and unfortunate.

This article indicates that Obama DID indeed know before hand, despite the whitewash after the fact. I got my head chopped off earlier in the thread because some people believed the inaccurate notion that Obama had no idea.
I just reread the article and I'm not getting that as an absolute fact.

in any case the most important point is this:
Gibbs said Obama has ordered a review of how the White House Military Office is set up, and how it reports to the White House and the Air Force.

I don't mind people making mis-steps. after all no one is perfect. (except me, of course)

What i want to see is how well Obama fixes the lack of communication that was obviously the main problem here.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
metalman said:
Democrats don't actually READ the details of the bills they pass, they just care about the dramatic title, and their personal earmarks of course.

This is a true statement. However, it is also a true statement to say:

"Republicans don't actually READ the details of the bills they pass, they just care about the dramatic title, and their personal earmarks of course."

None of the representatives reads the bills. The industries and special interests that write the bills don't want them read so they make sure that they are large and that there is no time before the vote to read them. Nobody read the PATRIOT act for e.g. and that horrific legislation passed easily.

Bills that have been put forward to ensure time to read the bills tends to get filtered out before it can do any good.

Only Staffers and a few insomniac bloggers actually read bills completely before votes, however Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have moved to the Alice in Wonderland stage, pass first, write later. Then they claim "Most transparent government ever!"
 
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