The U.S. will renew sanctions push in light of alleged Iranian plot

[Karlos]

The Elites are the parasites sucking the blood out of those financial institutes

Again, and with feeling, who are they?

The companies that the elites will protect are the oil companies and farms.

How does this tally with what you said above:

Surely the "global elites" won't allow anything to further destabilise the price of oil...​

Opposite, they want to use oil prices to spike prices that will send massive shockwaves through the world's economy. That is the trigger for global financial collapse. At $200+ @ barrel for crude, and shortages

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I have great difficulty following your reasoning. A lot of what you ascribe to the "global elites" (a term you still haven't defined clearly) seems to be contradictory from one post to the next.

 

[Robert]

Ooh, I dunno. Don't be fooled by their respective diplomatic relations with the US. Viewed purely in terms of how they govern their own populations, I'd have to say Saudi is more repressed.

If anything, implying Iran is worse than Saudi is the real stretch.

 

[Karlos]

If anything, implying Iran is worse than Saudi is the real stretch.

The thing is, Saudi is happy to supply oil to the West. And, as long as it keeps flowing, their human rights abuses, oppression and exporting of extremist ideology (just a reminder, most of the people implicated in the 9/11 plot were Saudi, not Afghan and certainly not Iraqi) will be completely overlooked, or at least a blind eye turned. *If* that were to change, you'd see regime change there in a flash complete with examples of the old regimes brutality hung out for all to see, as if it were actually something new.

 

[Dammy]

Again, and with feeling, who are they?

I would guess billionaires from around the globe. This isn't a national, racial, or religious group of people and there are many tiers. Bilderberg group would be maybe third or so tier. You probably find some of the upper levels in Russia as well as UK and US. I wouldn't be surprised to see most billionaires have some association within this group just for their own survival.

Ugh, I don't like how this system does nested quotes, or I'm just missing out on how to do it properly but here it goes:

I said:​

Surely the "global elites" won't allow anything to further destabilise the price of oil...​

to which you said:​

Opposite, they want to use oil prices to spike prices that will send massive shockwaves through the world's economy. That is the trigger for global financial collapse. At $200+ @ barrel for crude, and shortages​

I have great difficulty following your reasoning. A lot of what you ascribe to the "global elites" (a term you still haven't defined clearly) seems to be contradictory from one post to the next.​

How does this tally with what you said above:

Then I'm not explaining it properly. The energy system we currently have has been focused on the middle east production for decades for the western world. That was done so by design as a choke point while vast amounts of oil have been discovered else where and left to sit until oil prices are where the elite want them activated. In North America, we have enough oil/gas/coal/oil shale/sand to last 200+ years, but the US haven't been tapping them because doing so would send oil prices down (supply and demand). Today, in the US, they are drilling and capping new wells all over the place and a new fight for a massively expanded oil/gas pipepline (Keystone pipeline and expansion) is on going in the US congress. The day that oil is shut down in the middle east is being prepared for. Russia is now the largest oil exporter and signed a deal with China to supply her needs (and traded in Yuan and not USD) and will probably a major supplier to the EU when the time comes. Bases are being covered for the recovery period after the greatest wealth transfer in human history has been completed.​

Basically, the elites have had their puppets elected and they continue to create regulations, taxation, and entitlements. That does two things, weakens the economy (and fiat currency) by creating a ever expanding government that does everything and a entitlement culture that goes from bottom up, and poison wealth generation by having business shut down and move to business friendly environment, then add in spiraling debt to make up for the business moving away and more entitlement pay outs, until the system breaks. Elites need massive government to control it's citizens by having the citizens depend on the government for their daily needs. Once the Elites can dictate to the governments, they have de facto control over the government's citizens. Elites control the new world reserve currency and agreed to pick up the failed Too Big To Fail financial institutes, they have de facto control over all and they basically own it all because they have hard assets.​

One last thing, elites are buying Greece's near worthless debt. They know they will lose on it, but they will have reverse leverage on Greece afterwards. It was money they stole out of the TBTF Financial Institutions, not costing them a dime to do so yet they will have control afterwards.

 

[Karlos]

I would guess billionaires from around the globe. This isn't a national, racial, or religious group of people and there are many tiers. Bilderberg group would be maybe third or so tier. You probably find some of the upper levels in Russia as well as UK and US. I wouldn't be surprised to see most billionaires have some association within this group just for their own survival.

In a previous post, you said it wasn't about money, but at the same time you suspect the elite are your typical billionaire types. Why would they seek to harm, let alone destroy, the very financial infrastructure that allowed them to amass this much wealth in the first place? Unless they have divested all of their wealth into tangible commodities, any collapse of the global economy is going to hurt them too.

 

[redrumloa]

In a previous post, you said it wasn't about money, but at the same time you suspect the elite are your typical billionaire types. Why would they seek to harm, let alone destroy, the very financial infrastructure that allowed them to amass this much wealth in the first place? Unless they have divested all of their wealth into tangible commodities, any collapse of the global economy is going to hurt them too.

Karlos,
I don't know if I subscribe to the exact same thought process as Dammy on this, but there seems to be some truth behind these theories. The "elites" have wealth far beyond what anyone could spend in a lifetime. The only thing left for them is power and control. These "elites" have near total control of governments, but the general public is far more difficult to control and cull. Look where the mega-environmental organizations came from and look what their ultimate goals are. The welfare and well being of the populations is not exactly their goal.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

The elites already have power and control - that's what makes them elite. They don't really need government - certainly they do not like government by the people because that puts limits on their power and potentially increases the power of the people (if they wake up and figure out how to take their government back). The elites prefer to strengthen their power (global finance mostly) rather than have it fall apart though there is competition between the various currency blocks, but what they would most like to see is smaller government with fewer "entitlements". That is what they have been funding and lobbying for for four decades. Governments are messy and get in the way. They want direct control through corporate rule so that citizens will have no recourse except the complaints line ("press one to complain about being poor").

The financial elite are not the only elite block in the world, of course, but they are currently preeminent. The military elite block is particularly large and powerful in the US and they DO require big government. That is because they derive their money from taxes (and borrowing). However, since the military elite, through the government borrowing necessary to finance the forces in a low tax ideology, are now themselves owned by the financial elite since the US owes them so much money.

The religious power elite in the US is also gaining ground, not near what the religious power elite of many other countries have within their respective realms but, with growing influence in the military and the government which directs the military, the religious elite of the US are managing to direct more policy.

The industrial and energy elites find some common ground with the religious elites in that the places with the most Muslims for the Christian religious elites of the west to beat up on are also the places with oil.

There are plenty of interdependencies among these groups and they will align when interests align but there is also competition among and within them. It certainly isn't simple but there are trends.

However, that the financial elites are currently deliberately destroying the system which gives them there power doesn't seem to be one of the most likely theories to me.

 

[Glaucus]

Are the elites truly elite, or are they just privileged? I ask because people use the word elite here in a derogatory way, and really, there's nothing wrong with being elite as it just means you're good at what you do. Anyone can be elite if they simply work hard enough, but you need something more to be privileged. To be privileged you don't need to be elite at all, and in fact, it's rare to be.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Are the elites truly elite, or are they just privileged?

Elite just means on top, pretty much. It's simply a description of social status within a group. The Global Elite would be those with the most influence and privileged amongst the various elites of the world. Sort of the elites of the elite. They are the ones who can influence world policies and generally in so doing they also benefit themselves because they can. And some guy losing his house due to a medical expense in the US is of no more consequence than some guy having his entire family killed by a "humanitarian" airstrike that coincidentally happens to play a part in transferring ownership of an oil field.

 

[Robert]

Elite just means on top, pretty much. It's simply a description of social status within a group. The Global Elite would be those with the most influence and privileged amongst the various elites of the world. Sort of the elites of the elite. They are the ones who can influence world policies and generally in so doing they also benefit themselves because they can.

Would someone like Rupert Murdoch fall into this category?