Tracking the United States' national embarrassment.

Robert said:
My views on the embarrassingly absurd US pardon system notwithstanding, it could be something to do with the richest man alive, shortly before becoming part of the government, saying prosecute Fauci:
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I see you still refuse to click this thread. It's a proven fact that Fauci is a criminal who lied to Congress under oath. That's not Trump, conservatives or even any individual saying it. No, this is Government Accountability Office (GAO) and Heath & Human Services (HHS), under Joe Biden nonetheless.

Elon was a private citizen making that statement, which simply repeated what people like me were saying since 2020.

Here I said it in Sept 2021.
It keeps getting proven that you cannot fix a communist man made pandemic (bioweapon) with Communism!
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I pointed out in 2021 that it was man made. Now in 2025 HHS admits that very point explicitly. Do note the laugh react I got back then. It took Elon a long time to come around to the truth, but at least he did. The fact to this day people refuse to look at the facts and acknowledge them is pretty embarrassing. To this day and even on this very site, we have people still parroting talking points that have been officially rebuked.

Here in March 2022 I point out again it was a man made bioweapen.

We already know that Faucci and most of our government have been lying through their teeth about the Wuhan lab and the source of the coof.
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Again, Fauci is a proven criminal. Again, it's not me saying that, it is top oversight government intuitions of the US under a sitting Democrat president.
 
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Robert said:
Have you ever heard of a person called Richard Nixon?
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Look at his crime that he stepped down for and compare it to what Obama, Hillary, Biden, Fauci and so many others did. Obama directed the FBI to wiretap a presidential candidate (Trump) and then spy on a sitting president (Trump). What penalty did Obama face?

BTW, you had to go back over a half century to find an example. At the same time, it proves the weakness of trying to defend the current batch of criminals who've done infinitely more criminal actions.

Speaking of criminals...

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redrumloa said:
I see you still refuse to click this thread.
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I opened it awhile back, had a brief scan and realised A) I disagree with a lot of it, and B) I see no benefit in arguing any of the points because.... well, frankly, because I can't be arsed.
redrumloa said:
Fauci is a proven criminal.
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Who has not been convicted of any crime, whilst Trump is an innocent man who has been convicted of dozens? Your definition of "proven criminal" is different from mine.
 
Robert said:
He may well be but let's not pretend you care very much if someone is a criminal, otherwise you wouldn't have voted for a convict. You only care about Fauci because you see him as part of the other team.
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If Fauci hasn't done anything wrong then prosecuting him won't result in conviction so unless you believe that the law can be manipulated by activist judges and prosecutors there's nothing to fear.
 
redrumloa said:
Look at his crime that he stepped down for and compare it to what Obama, Hillary, Biden, Fauci and so many others did. Obama directed the FBI to wiretap a presidential candidate (Trump) and then spy on a sitting president (Trump). What penalty did Obama face?

BTW, you had to go back over a half century to find an example. At the same time, it proves the weakness of trying to defend the current batch of criminals who've done infinitely more criminal actions.

Speaking of criminals...

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Immune back to January 1st 2014. And the Ukrainian government was toppled in February.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
If Fauci hasn't done anything wrong then prosecuting him won't result in conviction so unless you believe that the law can be manipulated by activist judges and prosecutors there's nothing to fear.
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That reads as though written by someone who does not believe that the law can be manipulated by activist judges and prosecutors. Given your recent, vehement proclamations of "lawfare" and such, I'll assume it was an attempt at sarcasm. However, if it was it's missed its mark; I've already stated I disagree with the pardon.
 
Robert said:
That reads as though written by someone who does not believe that the law can be manipulated by activist judges and prosecutors. Given your recent, vehement proclamations of "lawfare" and such, I'll assume it was an attempt at sarcasm. However, if it was it's missed its mark; I've already stated I disagree with the pardon.
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Yes, sarcasm. But Biden and Fauci know how to play the legal system so they know they need legal armour in case the other guy tries it. To date he hasn't - even in his last term where he said he would prosecute officials for their crimes - but they can't take that chance. Even worse, they may now themselves to be vulnerable because they are criminals in which case it's even more important for them to do this. Either way they undermine the myth of a fair legal system making just findings or of them having done nothing wrong. However, they have decided, for whatever reason, that this legal gambit is more important than appearances.
 
Yeah. I was all out of gruntle over the pardon of Biden's son, even though it was expected. This morning when I heard about the "pre-emptive" pardons of all the criminals who worked to destroy this country over the past four years, along with his personal family members who've helped rape America for millions and millions of dollars to enrich the "Biden Brand", I had to physically pull the car over and take a minute.

I found myself viscerally angry, and completely disgusted by Biden's abuse of power to essentially keep himself out of jail in the future. I'm AMAZED he didn't add himself to the pardon list to be honest..

Yes, I understand that neither Fauci nor anyone else on those particular pardons has been convicted of a crime, but this essentially presents a "{bleep} You America!" which prohibits us from ever even investigating them in the first place. {bleep} disgusting..
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
However, they have decided, for whatever reason, that this legal gambit is more important than appearances.
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This does OTOH open a completely different can of worms. Any of these pardoned people can still be called to testify before Congress. Pardoned people lose the right to the 5th Amendment. These pardons could actually backfire, doing more damage to the cabal than individual prosecutions.
 
Wayne said:
I'm AMAZED he didn't add himself to the pardon list to be honest..
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I was initially, then I remembered something. There's already precedent of Biden being declared unfit to stand trial due to dementia in the classified documents case. If charges were brought against him on something else, he'll just again be declared unfit to stand trial.
 
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Robert said:
I opened it awhile back, had a brief scan and realised A) I disagree with a lot of it
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You disagree with the findings of the independent GAO? The findings of the GAO are the official positions of the United States Government as statements of fact. You disagree based on emotion?
Robert said:
B) I see no benefit in arguing any of the points because.... well, frankly, because I can't be arsed
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People like me, Fluff and many others dug as deep as possible into the coof and knew the facts from nearly the very beginning. You admittedly can't be arsed, but still will argue points and repeat officially discredited propaganda.

Considering the deaths of countless millions of people, the countless millions more who lost everything financially due to lockdowns, the millions more who were injured or died by the jabs, the 10s of millions of children who are psychologically scarred for life from the whole ordeal, I can't just nod along to someone not being arsed when the truth is finally acknowledged.

Robert said:
Who has not been convicted of any crime, whilst Trump is an innocent man who has been convicted of dozens? Your definition of "proven criminal" is different from mine.
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Probably again you can't be arsed to look at the details behind both situations. Trumps "convictions" will be overturned if the Supreme Court looks at an appeal and it would probably be a universal decision. I asked before and I'll ask again. What crime exactly was Trump accused of? Those so called 32 counts were not the crime he was accused of as they are not crimes on their own. I'm sure you don't know this, but I can tell you.

By the way, Fauci? His testimony in front of Congress was shown live and video of it is everywhere. I've linked to it here on multiple occasions. Both the GAO 520 page final report and the HHS defunding the Wuhan Lab due to findings of Gain Of Function research are undeniable proof to Fauci breaking the law. Fauci repeatedly stated the US never funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab. Knowingly lying to Congress is a federal offense.
 
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FluffyMcDeath said:
Biden and Fauci know how to play the legal system so they know they need legal armour
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Unlike poor widdle Donald and his naiive widdle legal teams.
FluffyMcDeath said:
in case the other guy tries it.
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Weaponising the legal system? Saint Donald? Perish the thought
FluffyMcDeath said:
Either way they undermine the myth of a fair legal system making just findings
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It's been undermined for as long as I've been alive, and much, much longer, by the pardon system itself. This is nothing more than another slip down the same slope.
 
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Wayne said:
but this essentially presents a "{bleep} You America!" which prohibits us from ever even investigating them in the first place.
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Actually as mentioned above, it opens the door for Congressional investigations where they can be forced to testify under oath without 5th Amendment protections. They may never be prosecuted for the known crimes, but they would be compelled to spill the beans which could incriminate the whole deep state.
 
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redrumloa said:
People like me, Fluff and many others dug as deep as possible into the coof and knew the facts from nearly the very beginning. You admittedly can't be arsed,
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I dug plenty deep into it over the years but go you guys! You got to the "truth".
Or something.

redrumloa said:
Probably again you can't be arsed to look at the details behind both situations.
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No, I can't be arsed with more circular arguments.
 
Robert said:
I dug plenty deep into it over the years but go you guys! You got to the "truth".
Or something.
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Yes actually. Everything I was saying about the coof were all proven true. It's all laid out in the 520 page GAO report in fine detail and the biggest point was further proven in the HHS report and defunding. But, that's what happens. Call people conspiracy theorists, LOL at them, find out they were right all along and no longer have interest in the subject.

I don't get it. I would think people would want to know they were lied to, so they don't fall for it again. I'm not happy the media and Bush Jr snowed me over on a few things in the 00s. I acknowledged it and learned from it.
 
redrumloa said:
Yes actually. Everything I was saying about the coof were all proven true.
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Everything? I'd say bravo, except I only have to go a few weeks to find you spouting absolute horsefeathers on the subject. What was that? A blip? Don't you know how to interpret scientific studies (or so-called studies in that case) or just couldn't be arsed to check your own assertions?
Unlike you, I'm not claiming to be any sort of authority on Covid or Vaccines. Nevertheless, one thing I can usually be arsed to do is check sources for outlandish claims before posting them here.

And just like that, I'm back to arguing in circles again. G'night.
 
Robert said:
Unlike poor widdle Donald and his naiive widdle legal teams.
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It's not really about the teams. It's about who owns the refs. Biden and the the State department trolls are deeply connected from years in the swamp and have all their friends in useful places. Trump managed to install some sympathetic people in powerful places but by the numbers his penetration pales. He plays a fair stalling game but he knows that where he needs to fight is in the media where he can exert his star power on the public while being outrageous enough the media has to follow him 24/7
 
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