Ukraine/Crimea

Graham Philips is a guy who has been in Eastern Ukraine for a while with lots of video. Nothing too mind blowing but interesting nonetheless.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Something with more English in it.
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Fishy in the extreme. The rebels are 'better trained' and seemingly well equipped with their 'spoils of war'. If I was a rebel fighter I might know how to use and maintain firearms, but tanks as well?

As an aside, they called a middle aged man and 'old man' in that clip. I guess he is old by Ukrainian standards? :lol:
 
The Ukrainian military which was making rapid gains suddenly got annihilated. You'd think they came up against a much more powerful force, like say, the Russian army? Nah, that could never happen, that would constitute an invasion!
 
Cyberus said:
Fishy in the extreme. The rebels are 'better trained' and seemingly well equipped with their 'spoils of war'. If I was a rebel fighter I might know how to use and maintain firearms, but tanks as well?
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Kind of like ISIS?

A lot of the Donetsk rebels were regular army at some point and most of the trainers would have been. The reason Kiev lost Donbas is because they lost the army units there who pretty much defected right away mostly being composed of locals.
 
Glaucus said:
The Ukrainian military which was making rapid gains suddenly got annihilated. You'd think they came up against a much more powerful force, like say, the Russian army? Nah, that could never happen, that would constitute an invasion!
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You think Kiev could have been lying about the progress they were making? Nah. Only Iraqi information ministers lie about how their forces are doing.
 
 
Donetsk airport full of NATO weapons - which doesn't exclude the possibility that the rebels have a bunch of NATO weapons they could have brought in themselves, of course. Maybe they got them from ISIS.
 
For all those who like the human interest "Kurdish Girl defends homeland against ISIS" type stories ...
Well, the girls do tend to fight for where they are from and for their own people.
 
Oh look at how they treat captured Ukrainian Armed Forces. They take them on tours of the damage their shells created.
 
These are our friends in Ukraine. We've known about them since the start. Sure, they aren't the "norm" in Ukraine but nor were Al-Qaeda and ISIS - they are extremists and they are just the sort of people we like to use in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Libya, Syria etc. What's a few stirred up Muslims/Nazis and a few hundreds of thousands of dead civilians compared to total spectrum dominance and hegemony?
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Kiev targets civilians. No big surprise. Anyone who has followed where the damage is can see this - unless they are partial to the "rebels kill their own people" trope, no different form the "Palestinians catch bombs with their children for sympathy" trope.
Kiev's aim is to "ethnically cleanse" the east of Russophiles.

Although Kiev may claim that ‘stray shells’ hit a hospital or a kindergarten, we have found on the front line that is being left behind by departing Ukrainian soldiers, artillery maps, where the targets were restaurants, cafeterias and shops.
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The documents show that shelling of the city [by the Government] was not random, but deliberate.
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Rebels have been pushing the Kiev forces back to keep their cities beyond Kiev's artillery range. Now Kiev is pulling out some old (and perhaps unreliable) long range fire-power.
 
Known about it for weeks but then... I'm in Putin's propaganda bubble (which is like the Catholic Chrurch's Dan Brown bubble or The Fundie Harry Potter bubble) - but, just like Israel and the US, Kiev is using WP in civilian areas. War crime!
 
It's got to the point that even Amnesty International and Newsweek can't keep ignoring it. Kiev battalions go ISIS.
Shortly after, Kiev-based news network Pravilnoe TV reported that it had spoken with one of the mothers of the victims who confirmed her son was a rebel, captured during fighting in Donetsk.

She said she had received her son’s head in a wooden box in the post, blaming nationalist volunteers for her son’s death.
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Kiev forces MUST be backed by the US - because they are shelling hospitals, schools and kindergartens, which might sound like I'm being ironic, but the US has targeted civilian infrastructure in all of its recent adventures.

And Poroshenko is pretty sure he'll get weapons from the US (though he already has clearly been getting weapons from some NATO country as evidenced by the weapons abandoned at the airport).

"I don't have a slightest doubt that the decision to supply Ukraine with weapons will be made by the United States as well as by other partners of ours," he said on a visit to Kharkiv, "because we need to have the capabilities to defend ourselves."
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Except Kiev isn't the defender, they are the attacker and the people of Eastern Ukraine are holding their own ground where they live.
 
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