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Pay for the directors of the UK's top businesses rose 50% over the past year, a pay research company has said.

Incomes Data Services (IDS) said this took the average pay for a director of a FTSE 100 company to just short of £2.7m.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15487866

This is the type of thing the Occupy campaigners are annoyed about.

I tend to agree with them.
 
I'm not so sure they do.

How would you propose 'fixing' it?

I certainly don't propose laying around in public places with no vision or with rioting for the trill of violence. How would I fix it? How much time to do you have to listen to me rant? At the very least:

1) Restore the Constitution
2) Restore the Bill of Rights
3) Charge politicians with treason if they violate 1 & 2
4) True campaign finance reform
5) Enforce the laws on the books and prosecute all of the known players in the financial crisis, including the Fed and Bank CEOs. Charge the worst offenders with treason.
6) Roll back all unconstitutional laws and regulations of the last decade and restore ones that were eliminated (true uptick rule, Glass Steagall, margin limits)
7) Ban high frequency trading outright and prosecute those who profited on it's abuse
8) Vote for Ron Paul
9) Impeach Obama
10) Force California to secede from the union

Top 10 (not in order) off the top of my head.
 
1-6: Agreed for the most part. I would also think most at OWS would agree as well.
7: Not sure what to say about that
8-9: If Obama were to do steps 1-6, we wouldn't need these steps
10: Why? If anything, if I was living in CA I'd want to secede from the union.
 
10: Why? If anything, if I was living in CA I'd want to secede from the union.

California was the progressives' great experiment with socialism in the USA and it failed badly, very badly. As a state California is by the far biggest failure and a drag on the rest of the nation. What is worse, the left led by Obama and Pelosi want the California model pushed on the rest of the country, despite the horrendous failure it is.
 
California was the progressives' great experiment with socialism in the USA and it failed badly, very badly. As a state California is by the far biggest failure and a drag on the rest of the nation. What is worse, the left led by Obama and Pelosi want the California model pushed on the rest of the country, despite the horrendous failure it is.
I think the state government has some issues, but the California economy is massive and some say drives the nation.
 
I think the state government has some issues, but the California economy is massive and some say drives the nation.

You would think wrong. I don't blame you for thinking this, the liberal media's reach extends up into Canada through the propaganda in Hollywood movies, but it would be wrong.

Go Bankrupt, California, Please!

We’re now 25 billion dollars in the red in California. The governor along with his Democrat controlled legislature will never do the right thing. They’re the same folks who brought you this mess. When Governor Brown was previously the governor he signed the Dills Act in 1978 that gave civil servants the right to collective bargaining. He did this on his very first day in office as governor. This revolutionary enactment was the beginning of the end or our state. Now, with the power of government labor unions unchecked, state employees, now the largest unionized force of any state, have controlled the legislative agenda for the past 30 years. Their sweetheart pension plans are a marvel to their political strength and are unmatched anywhere in the private sector. This is why although state workers’ pensions are the single largest problem in this budget crisis, Brown has not even mentioned it in his new “reform” proposals. He has however mentioned tax increases, or as he calls them tax “extensions”. A two-thirds margin of Californians overwhelmingly opposes tax increases as a solution.

Here’s the problem, notwithstanding a current state budget deficit of 25 billion dollars, the state has 700 billion dollars in unfunded pension liabilities. This is ticking time bomb. No matter how much we cut and balance today’s budget, we will never catch up and meet the needs of the ridiculously high unfunded pensions. This is the problem.
 
Your quote doesn't really saying anything about the California economy. Government budget does not automatically reflect the state of the economy. Under-taxing or wasted funds can easily lead to over budget.
 
Your quote doesn't really saying anything about the California economy. Government budget does not automatically reflect the state of the economy. Under-taxing or wasted funds can easily lead to over budget.

Huh? How does California's economy "drive the nation", when the nation is forced to bail out California?

And did you REALLY just say California is under taxing???

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:lol:
 
How would I fix it? How much time to do you have to listen to me rant? At the very least:

1) Restore the Constitution
2) Restore the Bill of Rights
3) Charge politicians with treason if they violate 1 & 2
4) True campaign finance reform
5) Enforce the laws on the books and prosecute all of the known players in the financial crisis, including the Fed and Bank CEOs. Charge the worst offenders with treason.
6) Roll back all unconstitutional laws and regulations of the last decade and restore ones that were eliminated (true uptick rule, Glass Steagall, margin limits)
7) Ban high frequency trading outright and prosecute those who profited on it's abuse
8) Vote for Ron Paul
9) Impeach Obama
10) Force California to secede from the union

Top 10 (not in order) off the top of my head.

Noble aims perhaps but that doesn't address how you would achieve it. As far as I can see Voting for Ron Paul has no more chance of achieving this than the Occupy campaigners have.

(I'd also point out that voting for Ron Paul is only an option if you happen to be a US based occupy campaigner, but that's a minor detail :p)
 
if you really want change - at least in the political landscape - get rid of much of the Congress. There's some exceptions, like Sanders and Paul and a few others. But get rid of all those assholes who have been doing absolutely nothing while the country burns.

get rid of all those asshole governors who hate teachers and firefighters and cops (ie, the middle class). get rid of the koch bros. get term limits. no one should be a career politician.
corporations are NOT people. they don't have DNA.
corporations should never give politicians money
get rid of lobbyists
 
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Top 10 (not in order) off the top of my head.

I'd like to ask some questions about your list:

1) Restore the Constitution
Question: How?


2) Restore the Bill of Rights
Question: How?


3) Charge politicians with treason if they violate 1 & 2
Question: How?


4) True campaign finance reform
Question: How?


5) Enforce the laws on the books and prosecute all of the known players in the financial crisis, including the Fed and Bank CEOs. Charge the worst offenders with treason.
Question: How?


6) Roll back all unconstitutional laws and regulations of the last decade and restore ones that were eliminated (true uptick rule, Glass Steagall, margin limits)
Question: How?


7) Ban high frequency trading outright and prosecute those who profited on it's abuse
Question: How?


8) Vote for Ron Paul
OK. NO question for this one. It sounds doable.


9) Impeach Obama
Question: How?


10) Force California to secede from the union
Question: How and why?


Seriously, you want Silicon Valley to be in another country? I think California would like the idea. They are one of the biggest economies in the union and they don't exactly get to do what they want. As soon as they get their own country and their own banking system they will be free of the Federal Reserve and much better off for it - and you'll probably end up trying to be an illegal immigrant.

Anyway, for most of the above you have hand wavy wishlist type stuff but no actual plan. How do you think you can get any of those things done? By complaining about OWS? Will that do it? You won't camp out for your convictions, but what's your back-up? Get Ron Paul in as the GOP candidate? Good luck with that - and I really mean it. I'd love to see it happen. Ron Paul, by the way, isn't trying to alienate the OWS crowd. He actually understands them much better than you seem to and can see that they are an important outpouring of sentiment.

Now, if Ron Paul does get in what are you going to do to make it possible for him to act on his plans? And if he doesn't get in what is your backup plan? The OWS guys are way ahead of you on most of this, red. They are doing something, now, and because they have the conviction to stand against the system they are starting to delegitimize the system. You think the Egyptians would have got anything done if they had decided the best way to change things was to complain about the people in Tahrir square and try to change a corrupt system by doing what the corrupt system tells them is the best way to change things?
 
I'd like to ask some questions about your list:

1) Restore the Constitution
Question: How?

2) Restore the Bill of Rights
Question: How?

3) Charge politicians with treason if they violate 1 & 2
Question: How?

4) True campaign finance reform
Question: How?

5) Enforce the laws on the books and prosecute all of the known players in the financial crisis, including the Fed and Bank CEOs. Charge the worst offenders with treason.
Question: How?

6) Roll back all unconstitutional laws and regulations of the last decade and restore ones that were eliminated (true uptick rule, Glass Steagall, margin limits)
Question: How?

7) Ban high frequency trading outright and prosecute those who profited on it's abuse
Question: How?



-snip-

9) Impeach Obama
Question: How?

10) Force California to secede from the union
Question: How and why?

How? Drink a bottle of moonshine and munch on the right kind of mushrooms.
 
I know I keep posting William K Black but here he is again - the demands he would make.
 
The creation of money should not be the domain of private individuals - it is a right of government (which communistically is given legitimacy by the people who run it for the best interests OF the people).

 
The thing is, I'd rather the banks make their money from charging for service than by playing the markets so aggressively. I don't like bank fees either, but I'd prefer that over watching the entire financial sector collapse. Stability should trump profitability. At least for banks.
 
The thing is, I'd rather the banks make their money from charging for service than by playing the markets so aggressively. I don't like bank fees either, but I'd prefer that over watching the entire financial sector collapse. Stability should trump profitability. At least for banks.

Many banks operated at a profit for decades without charging debit card fees or reckless speculation.
You make it sound as though it is a choice between one or the other.
 
.. or redundancy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15487866

This is the type of thing the Occupy campaigners are annoyed about.

I tend to agree with them.

Exactly what business is it of yours what executives make? Seriously, it's none of your business. If anything, it's the shareholder's business because they own the company who is paying the executives. I don't see the ONOWSers complain about movie starts making tens of millions of dollars. I don't see the ONOWSers complain about athletes in football (American, not European), basketball, baseball, or hockey. Shouldn't the ONOWSers be demanding that movie starts and athletes not be paid millions or tens of millions of dollars? Makes a executive officers look like paupers. So whyzzat?
 
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