Why do seemingly rational people believe conspiracies?

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/m...-into-conspiracy-theories.html?pagewanted=all

"They found, perhaps surprisingly, that believers are more likely to be cynical about the world in general and politics in particular. Conspiracy theories also seem to be more compelling to those with low self-worth, especially with regard to their sense of agency in the world at large. Conspiracy theories appear to be a way of reacting to uncertainty and powerlessness. "
 
do you mean like the one where bush 41 lied us into a war to steal oil, or the one where his dumbass son did the same thing...? or maybe the conspiracy theory about how cheney had a meeting with the oil companies to divide iraqs oil fields... truthfully, todays conspiracy theories are little more than tomorrows not yet known reality... low self worth? hahahhaha! never heard myself referred to like that before...

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http://listverse.com/2013/05/02/10-nefarious-conspiracies-proven-true/

http://mentalfloss.com/article/33497/8-government-conspiracy-theories-and-how-they-could-be-right

yeah... our government is soooo benevolent... these aren't the droids you are looking for... i guess people believe this "bullshit" because a good deal of it is true... theyve poisoned us, manipulated our media and endangered us in a myriad of ways... and then they play it off in spite of the overwhelming evidence as a conspiracy theory so that the bulk of the sheep don't rise up with pitchforks and take back their country... you do of course know there is a reason why they don't release a presidents memos and such until after they are dead, and now not without that presidents approval...

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@Robert_Bentham,

The article does talk a bit about the influence of real conspiracies and how those add to clouded judgment about unreal or unrealistic conspiracies. For example, It's unlikely the 'Global Elites' are really Reptiles, though they do act like snakes. And we did land on the moon.
 
Indeed. Things like Operation Northwoods, among others, add fuel to conspiracy fires; when you know the bastards have considered things like that, it's a lot easier to be taken in by what might otherwise seem like outlandish nonsense.
 
"They found, perhaps surprisingly, that believers are more likely to be cynical about the world in general and politics in particular. Conspiracy theories also seem to be more compelling to those with low self-worth, especially with regard to their sense of agency in the world at large. Conspiracy theories appear to be a way of reacting to uncertainty and powerlessness. "

The main reason that people develop and "buy into" conspiracy theories is because conspiracies exist and the social arts of collusion, deception and the detection of collusion and deception have been selected for. The people who are most cynical are most likely to entertain theories about people conspiring but the source of their cynicism may be their experiences with conspiracies. On the other hand, naive people tend not to credit conspiracies even when they are staring them in the face, perhaps because it makes them feel too uncomfortable to admit the possibility.

Academics are generally in the naive set simply because of their environment and the types of people who become academic. They often display more traits along the autistic spectrum (socially awkward and more interested in facts than fictions - as such they often don't see the point in lies and other deceptive activities). Academia can get quite rough but it's almost always pitched battles between individuals and teams out in the open rather than covert back stabbings and rumour-mongering. Academics can be so averse to the idea that vicious conspiracies happen that they may misdiagnose people with first hand knowledge of conspiracies as delusional.

The worlds of politics and gang crime are much more fertile grounds for conspiracies. People who can't detect them and divert/undermine or join them don't get that far.

Being able to conspire and being able to detect conspiracy are two human traits but they tend to come to the fore when times are hard. During the good times there is little to gain from conspiracy that can't be gained from open cooperation. When times are lean the potential benefit of conspiracy increases but so does the potential costs of not spotting them.

Of course, conspiracy theories should never be tolerated because allowing conspiracy theories could lead to the undoing of those involved in conspiracies. The idea that 12 lunch buddies were setting the global interbank interest rates for he benefit of themselves and their friends would be a conspiracy theory but now it is merely a scandal. That's merely a relabeling since the same theory continues to explain the LIBOR before as after it was discovered (just like Newtons theory of gravity still is a good way to describe how bodies move in a gravitational field).

On the other hand, "Elvis is still alive" is NOT a conspiracy theory. Missiles hit the Pentagon is also not a conspiracy theory, it is a hypothesis about an event and not a well founded one in my opinion but it implies that some sort of conspiracy
would have had to exist - though it doesn't of it self say what that conspiracy would have been or how it would have worked. The idea that 19 guys and financiers and handlers were able to hijack several planes and fly 75% of them into important buildings IS a conspiracy theory. Muddying what is and is not a conspiracy is ALSO part of an agenda in my opinion though not necessarily a coordinated one.
 
For example, It's unlikely the 'Global Elites' are really Reptiles, though they do act like snakes.
I always thought David Icke was at his most annoying when he talked about the reptiles and yet, on an instinctive level I think he's pretty much right on. He's noticed how the elites are different, but he's let his mind rush on a bit far with that. Still love a lot of what he says though. He lives in a colourful, metaphor drenched universe but his general analysis of the structure and means of power is a compelling story. Anyone who thinks that Brian Mulroney and both president Bushes are twelve foot lizards can't be all bad in my book.

"Human Race Get Off Your Knees: The Lion Sleeps No More". He's got a lovely poetry about him. He knows how to speak and he knows how to lift a quote or two and his message is not an objectionable one to me. He talks about personal liberation and understanding your own freedom (provided you can get past the "truth vibrations")and not bowing down to those who hold themselves above you - and that makes him very dangerous indeed. It's a good thing he's a loony and no-one will listen to him. :)
 
Hmm. This bit is particularly specious.

"But recent scientific research tells us this much: if you think one of the theories above is plausible, you probably feel the same way about the others, even though they contradict one another."

That seems to imply that because they contradict one another then none of them can be true and anyone who thinks they are plausible is therefore a nutjob. Someone doesn't know what "theory" and "plausible" means. Just because two theories contradict each other doesn't mean that they both can't be plausible, and it certainly doesn't imply that both must be false and you're a loony if you think otherwise.
 
my personal favorite is "disgruntled former federal employee"... never mind the fact that you might have seen something to make you disgruntled... we are told to ignore you because you're just "angry"...

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Conspiracy theories also seem to be more compelling to those with low self-worth, especially with regard to their sense of agency in the world at large. Conspiracy theories appear to be a way of reacting to uncertainty and powerlessness. "

When someone gets too close to the, smear and humiliate them into getting back in line with the rest of the sheep. You should really think about who puts out these hack articles and what their motivation is.
 
Chris Hedges: We, the Vast Underclass, Must Rise Up Against Global Mafia - or Die


If we must die, let it not be like hogs
Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot,
While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs,
Making their mock at our accursèd lot.
If we must die, O let us nobly die
So that our precious blood may not be shed
In vain; then even the monsters we defy
Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!
O kinsmen! We must meet the common foe!
Though far outnumbered let us show us brave,
And for their thousand blows deal one death blow!
What though before us lies the open grave?
Like men we’ll face the murderous, cowardly pack,
Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/16468-vast-underclass-must-rise-up-against-global-mafia-or-die
 
The FBI seemed to think that antiwar.com was a foreign directed conspiracy against National Security. (It takes quite a bit of reading to get all that, but there it is). Should the FBI be locked up in a mental institution - wait, don't answer that.

Meanwhile, also on the antiwar.com site I found another conspiracy theory - Netanyahu was involved in illegally smuggling (yes, that's redundant, just saying for emphasis) nuclear triggers out of the US and into Israel. Of course, when you operate at those levels you will be rewarded for your loyalty if you break the law to serve a higher purpose (the welfare of your masters) but you will most certainly pay if you do something nefarious like ... rat the crooks out, for example.

The world is crawling with conspiracy and intrigue. It's mad to act as if it isn't.
 
Vanunu's story is fascinating, scary and tragic.
 
Conspiracies exist, yes. But that's not why people believe in conspiracy theories. Most of them do so to validate their own personal beliefs or to propagate their own political agendas.

For me the problem is that we allow these conspiracy nuts to call them theories at all. Theories have a scientific basis, a basis which takes verifiable facts to form one or more theories explaining those facts. The conspiracy theorists don't do this at all, instead come up with the theory that suites their own political slant and then either cherry pick or fabricate the facts that they need and ignore all evidence to the contrary. Really, we should be calling them conspiracy fantasies because that's what they really are. It's also why arguing with them is a complete waste of time because it's like arguing over religious dogma - facts and reason don't count for anything.
 
Theories have a scientific basis...

Scientific theories have a scientific basis but there is more than one usage of that word permitted in English.
 
Scientific theories have a scientific basis but there is more than one usage of that word permitted in English.
That's the same kind of twisting of the meaning of words as when FoxNEWS says "News". When the conspiracy theorists say "theory" they're leaning on the solid foundation of science to give themselves credibility. They even pretend to offer evidence to support the theory in a way a scientist does. But like I said, the process is reversed and once you realize this the credibility should go out the window.

Good example: Autism vs Flu Vaccine "theory". There was never any evidence to come up with such a theory, the "theory" came first followed by the fabricated facts. And yet, people still believe it to this day.
 
Good example: Autism vs Flu Vaccine "theory". There was never any evidence to come up with such a theory, the "theory" came first followed by the fabricated facts.

Actually it was MMR vaccine hypothesis initially and then the vaccine overload hypothesis.
As to what Robert said about the word "theory", yes there is a colloquial sense that people use to mean "wild assed guess" but that is not what theory means and it is not necessary for a theory to be based on science unless it is a scientific theory. Prosecutors and defense attorneys both argue theories when they are trying to sell their version of what the facts mean and that is all a theory is, really - an explanation of the facts. A theory is just a framework in which the known facts make sense. If someone is throwing spurious facts into their theory (or willfully excluding contradictory facts) then they don't have a very good theory. Ideally a theory should agree with the known facts and suggest further facts currently unknown but that could be discovered to increase confidence in the explanatory power of the theory.

The word theory itself doesn't imply goodness or badness of the theory.
 
Here's a conspiracy theory spontaneously popping up and we have no idea how legitimate the theory is itself because there is precious little information to go on except a suspicious seeming pattern to those involved. Question : is it adaptive in this case to think that you are being deliberately messed with or would it be more adaptive to just assume it was a coincidence/technical glitch? And what's a better use of time and resources in this case? Work to prove whether it's a conspiracy or not or just to act as if it is?
 
Monsanto and Blackwater are indeed working together to target anti-Monsanto activists and organizations. Known as far back as 2010, it was unveiled that Blackwater’s client list included Monsanto, Chevron, Walt Disney and many more. According to documents obtained by Scahill, it was also revealed that Monsanto was willing to pay upwards of $500,000 in order for Blackwater to join anti-Monsanto activist groups and infiltrate the ranks. Furthermore, a number of internet-based tactics could be utilized as incognito PR for Monsanto, who undoubtedly knew opposition would mount against their GMO crops as more individuals became aware of the dangers. - See more at: http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/mon...inst-protesters-05212013#sthash.E9x1hylk.dpuf

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That's the same kind of twisting of the meaning of words as when FoxNEWS says "News". When the conspiracy theorists say "theory" they're leaning on the solid foundation of science to give themselves credibility. They even pretend to offer evidence to support the theory in a way a scientist does.

I disagree. Almost every "conspiracy theory" I've ever come across is of the "educated guess" variety.

In fact, I'd go so far as as to say that it is you who is twisting the meaning of words here. A scientific theory has a specific definition and in in my experience is not what most people mean when they use the word to describe what they see as conspiratorial behaviour to hide the truth.
 
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