Liberal Meltdown :banana:
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Glaucus said:
Umm... Off the top of my head?
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Charismatic, good speaker
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- Taxes, Obama wants to eliminate the capital gains tax, making it taxable as income(tax increase).
- Schools, Obama is against school choice (voucher system)
- Energy, Obama is (AGAINST) utilizing our own natural resources
- Health care, Obama wants socialized medicine ala Cuba
- pro abortion
- Affirmative action, Obama is for it
- affection for and close ties to home grown terrorist
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Glaucus said:
Umm... Off the top of my head?
Likes:
Charismatic, good speaker
Dislikes:
- Taxes, Obama wants to eliminate the capital gains tax, making it taxable as income(tax increase).
- Schools, Obama is against school choice (voucher system)
- Energy, Obama is (AGAINST) utilizing our own natural resources
- Health care, Obama wants socialized medicine ala Cuba
- pro abortion
- Affirmative action, Obama is for it
- affection for and close ties to home grown terrorist
- anti 2nd amendment
- pro Patriot Act
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Glaucus said:
Umm... Off the top of my head?
Likes:
Charismatic, good speaker
Dislikes:
- Taxes, Obama wants to eliminate the capital gains tax, making it taxable as income(tax increase).
- Schools, Obama is against school choice (voucher system)
- Energy, Obama is (AGAINST) utilizing our own natural resources
- Health care, Obama wants socialized medicine ala Cuba
- pro abortion
- Affirmative action, Obama is for it
- affection for and close ties to home grown terrorist
- anti 2nd amendment
- pro Patriot Act
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Glaucus said:
Umm... Off the top of my head?
Likes:
Charismatic, good speaker
Dislikes:
- Taxes, Obama wants to eliminate the capital gains tax, making it taxable as income(tax increase).
- Schools, Obama is against school choice (voucher system)
- Energy, Obama is (AGAINST) utilizing our own natural resources
- Health care, Obama wants socialized medicine ala Cuba
- pro abortion
- Affirmative action, Obama is for it
- affection for and close ties to home grown terrorist
- anti 2nd amendment
- pro Patriot Act
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Glaucus said:
Umm... Off the top of my head?
Likes:
Charismatic, good speaker
Dislikes:
- Taxes, Obama wants to eliminate the capital gains tax, making it taxable as income(tax increase).
- Schools, Obama is against school choice (voucher system)
- Energy, Obama is (AGAINST) utilizing our own natural resources
- Health care, Obama wants socialized medicine ala Cuba
- pro abortion
- Affirmative action, Obama is for it
- affection for and close ties to home grown terrorist
- anti 2nd amendment
- pro Patriot Act
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Glaucus said:
Umm... Off the top of my head?
Likes:
Charismatic, good speaker
Dislikes:
- Taxes, Obama wants to eliminate the capital gains tax, making it taxable as income(tax increase).
- Schools, Obama is against school choice (voucher system)
- Energy, Obama is (AGAINST) utilizing our own natural resources
- Health care, Obama wants socialized medicine ala Cuba
- pro abortion
- Affirmative action, Obama is for it
- affection for and close ties to home grown terrorist
- anti 2nd amendment
- pro Patriot Act
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redrumloa said:
How dare I:?: Look at the tone of your post![/quote:7bajcs6h]
Yes, how dare you! You willfully misinterprited what I said to score a cheep shot. You're damn right I'm irritated at that. I'm also damn concerned about what an old man backed up by a fundie will do not only to people in your country, people who I care about, but what it will mean for myself and the rest of the world.
But moving on.
Just to be sure on what I'm reading here, are you suggesting that being beholden to hostile parts of the world for your energy is a good thing? Or do you mean something I'm not aware of?
Not all socialist healthcare systems are made the same. Further, I'd argue that Cuba was a fairly bad choice, given that their child mortality rates are far lower then the US's is.
If you were shown a system, whereby you as an individual saw say... a 20% reduction over what you would pay for a similar grade of healthcare through private insurance, that would go on a sliding scale in comparason to what you earned, would you still argue against it, for instance?
Remember also that having a nationalised healthcare system would not mean that you wouldn't be able to get care privately should you be able to afford it (happens over here all the time).
Unless you're planning on getting pregnant yourself, how does this effect you?
Doesn't this sort of go down the whole road of "I don't like it so it should be banned" that you constantly attack in any other situation? I know how much you love to see other peoples morality pushed on you, so what gives you the right to push yours on others? :wink:
Then there's the whole back alley abortion thing you have to consider, but that's a whole other discussion, for a whole different time I think.
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redrumloa said:
We are never ever going to agree on anything because you and I mean different things by "liberal". For you it seems that "liberal" means "against living as a virtual slave in a theocratic police state", a position with which you do not agree. Apparently living as a virtual slave in a theocratic police state is exactly what every American should aspire to. That is why you are so willing to side with the people who advocate that. Unless you don't and you actually think "liberal" means the opposite of the way I just defined it, in which case your taste in politicians is hugely ironic.
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You think that's bad? Good grief, I'm glad I don't live in your world.
My parents grew up in a Scotland where you had to pay for medical attention. The best thing a British government ever did was socialise medicine. Yes, we still pay for it - comes straight off your wages before you get them. You won't hear many (sane) people in Scotland requesting it be switched back. Most people will bitch about their national insurance payments but if you asked them would they rather risk paying for their care should they fall ill, most would say no. More importantly, it means those less well off receive proper medical attention when they need it, without worrying about being turfed onto the street for having no money.
Our system isn't perfect, not by any means.
But it's far preferable to your system.
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redrumloa said:
Ahh, righty, no worries.
I guess it's that old ballancing act - do you look after the environment or do you have electricity and heating.
Tis a tough one.
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Robert said:
The National Health Service has become less efficient despite Labour pumping millions into its budget.
he National Health Service's bill for cancer drugs could swallow half of the present health budget.
Patients cannot rely on the NHS to save their lives if the cost of doing so is too great
The UK's National Health Service does not have infinite resources. Someone will have to decide whether buying drugs to keep an 80 year old "alive" for six more months or spending on a unemployed 40 year old alcoholic, or a 50 year old obese smoker, is a waste of resources. So when a person is ill and in need of treatment, their age, weight, and unhealthly lifestyle choices will determine what treatments they receive, if any.
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Bet that one's gonna eat into your pocket, eh? How much do you realize in capital gains a year?redrumloa said:
The Canadian Government spends about $2000 per person per year. That's pretty much the same as the US government spends. Then the US citizens pay an additional $2000 per person per year leaving about 20% of people uncovered and leaving those who are covered to discover that whatever it is they eventually get, they don't have the correct insurance for.
That is to say, you system costs twice as much per capita as ours and provides less coverage. But, hey, if that's what you prefer...