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7:43 PM - 24 Dec 2013


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2008 PolitiFact: ‘We rate Obama's statement True’


2009 PolitiFact: ‘There’s no guarantee’ but rates 'True'


2012 PolitiFact: CBO projects plan-dropping, but President still ‘Half True’


2013 PolitiFact: It’s the ‘Lie of the Year’


2013 “The promise was impossible to keep,” says Angie Drobnic Holan

Translation: the magical arbiters of “truth” on future predictions and campaign promises are just political hacks



A fact is something that has happened in the past.
A policy outcome that will happen in the future is open for debate



Some other 2008 Obama statements awaiting PolitiFact "revision"

“You can keep your current plan”
“ If you like your doctor, you can keep him”
“It will be AFFORDABLE high quality health care”
“This health care package will pay for itself”
“ The health care bill will not raise the deficit by one dime”
“ We should not mandate the purchase of health care”
“ This law will save the average family $2,500 a year”
“ Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions”
“ ObamaCare fee is not a new tax”
“ Obamacare will cost less than your monthly cell phone bill”
 
A Fry Cook Asks Obama About Low Wages—And His Hours Being Cut Due To Obamacare


Mr Summers in his question says he’s only getting part time work now because his employers, to avoid the expense of Obamacare have cut his hours.

lets see, 29.5 hrs @$7.50 = $221 per week, @$10 = $295 per week

the employeer might prefer to spend the money on a

PFA Fully-Automatic Fryer

$8400 / $295 = 28 week payout on wages saved alone
not including the hidden employee costs of ObamaCare and unemployment insurance

what is $10 per hr at zero hours per week?
 
UNEXPECTEDLY!

[CBO cited] new estimates that the Affordable Care Act will cause a larger than-expected reduction in working hours - eliminating the equivalent of about 2.3 million workers in 2021 versus a previous estimate of an 800,000 decline.
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Obamacare enrollees hit snags at doctor’s offices: Many consumers faced hurdles signing up for Covered California health plans. Now they’re having trouble finding in-network doctors.

"Aliso Viejo resident Danielle Nelson said Anthem Blue Cross promised half a dozen times that her oncologists would be covered under her new policy. She was diagnosed last year with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and discovered a suspicious lump near her jaw in early January.​
But when she went to her oncologist’s office, she promptly encountered a bright orange sign saying that Covered California plans are not accepted.​
“I’m a complete fan of the Affordable Care Act, but now I can’t sleep at night,” Nelson said. “I can’t imagine this is how President Obama wanted it to happen.”"​
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If Only Stalin knew!
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"Surprisingly, many Soviet citizens did not realize who was responsible for the madness, thinking it was due to some breakdown in the system or officials who had gone off the deep end. People would say: "If only Stalin knew!" Sometimes concerned citizens would even try to write Stalin with complaints, an action that was likely to prove a grave mistake. Stalin often scribbled comments on documents and letters that went across his desk; when he received pleas from citizens in desperate distress, he would scrawl mocking or contemptuous remarks on them -- and often order the arrest of the authors."​
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@metalman
Hitler was Stalin's enemy; Churchill and Roosevelt were his friends.

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metalman said:
UNEXPECTEDLY!
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That'd right ... "eliminating workers" not jobs.
"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 to 2 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive," said the report
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People will choose to work less, not employers choosing to employ less.
 
metalman said:
At the White House briefing Tuesday, White House Council of Economic Advisors chair Jason Furman, said that the CBO’s projected reduction in full-time workers, then, “shouldn’t be a significant cause for surprise and it reflects the fact that workers have a new set of options and are making the best choices that they can choose to make for themselves given those options,” the official said.

What was once comedy,
[Cocoanuts clip]
is now progressive governance
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Once again, people work more if they HAVE to, and if they don't have to then they choose to work less. What that effectively means is that more workers will be needed and the number of workers is almost entirely based on the number of customers and the amount of demand. If you need 10 employees to meet demand then reducing the price of employees won't make you hire 11. Businesses hire as many employees as they need, not as many as they can afford. There are business owners in the world who bring in a billion dollars a year. That's enough to employ 22,000 people at the median US wage. If the wages were reduced by half it would be enough to hire 44,000. It doesn't matter how low you put the wages because they just don't need the labour and if you cut the wages the owners would just keep the same number of employees and keep more of the money. Supplying more labour cannot increase the demand for the outputs of labour ... especially when the demand comes from the labour-force who now can't afford to be consumers.

The main economic problems in the world today are all based on wealth concentration. There's a reason you stop playing Monopoly after one person bankrupts everyone else. Even if you just give everyone their $200 and let them start playing again they can't even make it around the board. The only way to get everything going again is to clear the board and start over.

... and I'm not sure what you think the relevance of that clip is - it's a parody of right wing economic thinking - workers should work for nothing and be "free" (as in gratis) and not complain about it, so long as they have jobs.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
... and I'm not sure what you think the relevance of that clip is - it's a parody of right wing economic thinking - workers should work for nothing and be "free" (as in gratis) and not complain about it, so long as they have jobs.
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It's a socialist rhetorical distortion of how the free-market system works

you're making a strawman argument.
Labor has a unit value, which depends on how many units of work it takes to produce a unit of something of value that can be sold in the market place


"So long as the bosses pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work."

Q: "Is it true that conditions in our labor camps are excellent?"
A: "It is true. Five years ago another comrade raised the same question and was sent to one, to investigate the issue. He hasn't returned yet; I'm told that he liked it there."

"He was sentenced to three years, served five, and then he got lucky and was released ahead of time."

Q: What's the difference between a capitalist fairy tale and a Marxist fairy tale?
A: A capitalist fairy tale begins, "Once upon a time, there was....". A Marxist fairy tale begins, "Some day, there will be...."

Q: Is it true that the Soviet Union is the most progressive country in the world?
A: Of course! Life was already better yesterday than it's going to be tomorrow!

-- Soviet Union political jokes
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
. There's a reason you stop playing Monopoly after one person bankrupts everyone else. Even if you just give everyone their $200 and let them start playing again they can't even make it around the board. The only way to get everything going again is to clear the board and start over.
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you're confusing a game with an economy

In the real world the economy can be expanded, just by coming up with a new product to produce and sell

In the real world, another 4 blocks of real estate is added to the game, and airlines, truck lines, FedEx, UPS are added to compete against the Railroads
 
metalman said:
Labor has a unit value, which depends on how many units of work it takes to produce a unit of something of value that can be sold in the market place
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And capitalism is all about making sure as much of that value accrues to the owner and as little to the labourer as possible. The labour of a slave has the same unit value as the labour of a free man. Oddly enough, you can often get the free man to work for less than the cost of a slave.
 
metalman said:
you're confusing a game with an economy
In the real world the economy can be expanded, just by coming up with a new product to produce and sell
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In the real world you can't sell much product when most of the players are broke. In the real world you can't afford to produce new products because they infringe on patents or transgress copyrights so you have to partner with someone who is already a winner, who, unless you are lucky, will cut you out of the deal and take your ideas leaving you without funds to pursue the matter in court. Sure, you may make a modest living by squeezing some scraps of money from your fellow losers, but it is very very unlikely that you could ascend to the level of winner.
In the real world, another 4 blocks of real estate is added to the game, and airlines, truck lines, FedEx, UPS are added to compete against the Railroads
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In the real world resources are also finite and in the real world one of the players actually owns the bank and makes a cut off of every transaction and can adjust rates and the money supply as they wish.
In the game world they don't let one player own the bank, because then there'd be no point playing when you already know who's going to win.[/quote]
 
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