Another mass shooting

Robert said:
"The problem isn't the guns, the problem is ..."

Why not go the whole hog and advocate arming the teachers worshippers?
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two mosques were attacked, at one a member had a gun, two mosques, different results

the problem is "culture", compare violence statistics for Urban minorities vs the rest of the US
I grew up where everyone had a gun rack in the back window, dad had a rifle and a shotgun in his gun rack

Robert said:
They were also very rare in the UK but the UK restricted guns after Dunblane. Integration had nothing to do with Dunblane either.
There has been little in the way of mass shootings in either country since. You could argue that might have been the case anyway but if it makes it a little more difficult for a nutter to flip and go on a rampage, I'm all for it.
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what about knife attacks, acid attacks, homicidal white lorries, and bombs ?
 
Robert said:
When was the last time someone carried out a mass shooting with a knife?
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Japan knife attack: At least 19 dead

At least 19 people were killed and 26 injured in a stabbing spree at a facility for disabled people west of Tokyo, making it one of Japan's deadliest mass killings since World War II.Nine men and 10 women, ranging in age from 18 to 70, were killed in the attack.

In related news:

After murder rate passes NYC, London Mayor Sadiq Khan calls for sharper knife control

London Mayor Sadiq Khan announced a crackdown on knives Sunday in response to the rising levels of violence in London, which recently surpassed New York City's homicide rate for the first time.

"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife," Khan tweeted. "Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."

Maybe one day you will see this is about CONTROL, not peoples' individual safety.
 
Robert said:
When was the last time someone carried out a mass shooting with a knife?
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mass murder
on 9/11 knives were the weapons used to hijack the planes, which were then turned into flying bombs
 
Robert said:
At risk of pointing out the blindingly obvious, if everyone was happy to give up their guns voluntarily there would be no need for the NZ government to pass new legislation.
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well, most people would be fine, but it's that ONE guy: the violent, angry virgin incel guy who doesn't want to give up his penis substitute. He's the problem.
 
cecilia said:
well, most people would be fine, but it's that ONE guy: the violent, angry virgin incel guy who doesn't want to give up his penis substitute. He's the problem.
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And that very guy is often the reason legislation is needed for things in the first place.
Most things would be fine if we could guarantee responsible, well-meaning adults were the participants.
But you know there will always be that one guy who ruins it for everyone.

Speeding - fine until Johnny decided to fly down a busy city centre lane at 106mph and wiped out 12 pedestrians.
Now we all have a limit set on how fast we drive.
Thanks Johnny.
Drink driving - fine until Johnny got pished, lost control, crossed lanes and smashed into oncoming traffic, wiping out two families.
Now we all have to drive sober.
Thanks Johnny.
Open carrying of hand grenades in crowded places - fine until Johnny got depressed and started pulling pins out and randomly chucking grenades about...
Now we can't open carry hand grenades in crowded places
Thanks a lot Johnny.
Etcetera.

Okay, "the man" might have anticipated that last example before Johnny was allowed to ruin it. :p
 
Robert said:
And that very guy is often the reason legislation is needed for things in the first place.
Most things would be fine if we could guarantee responsible, well-meaning adults were the participants.
But you know there will always be that one guy who ruins it for everyone.

Speeding - fine until Johnny decided to fly down a busy city centre lane at 106mph and wiped out 12 pedestrians.
Now we all have a limit set on how fast we drive.
Thanks Johnny.
............................. :p
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yeah, there's ALWAYS one idiot, case in point: http://www.wbrc.com/2019/03/22/blou...y-goes-off-st-grade-classroom-no-one-injured/

and where are the idiots who think teachers need to be armed??

silent
 
Robert said:
So you do?
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A bit of a stretch there Robert. I quoted the gunman's words to show that Arden's reaction was in line with what the gunman wanted. I don't know what calculation the PM (or her staff) has done on the issue but a blanket virtual ban on having a copy or reading the manifesto might indicate that they have at least considered the problem of appearing to play into the gunman's hands while going ahead and doing something they have been wanting to do but needed sufficient political crisis to accomplish.

As to Adern herself and the parading about in fancy dress - she is an ex-Mormon with a bachelors in politics and public relations married to a TV presenter - I'm pretty sure she knows how messaging works and how to play the audience. She is playing for her constituency while (deliberately?) alienating a small section of the disaffected Christian population. It's a divisive political stance that may be engineered, or may, like TRUMP, be instinct. She is a politician. I don't think it's wrong to be cynical about what politicians say and do, especially when it is blatantly partisan.
More seriously, given there is some evidence which seems* to support the idea that reducing access to certain types of weapons can help reduce shootings, wouldn't it be better to err on the side of caution?
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The side of caution is doing less, making smaller changes. This is a political opportunity and the opportunists don't want to waste it - they want to use it to steamroll the opposition - which just makes the opposition feel aggrieved, the shooters intended outcome - though he acknowledges that the NZ population will likely just roll over - but he hopes the NZ politics will embolden the US politicians. Caution would be a long progressive series of small steps done at less emotional times. Dressing up as a Muslim then grabbing guns from Christian farmer types is more like playing with gasoline for political gain than sincere concern for the safety of the citizens. It's pushing on a pressure point that the gunman thinks needed to be pushed to break society. It could be that she hasn't considered this, but more likely she is making the same political calculation that many others are making these days which is that it is for their benefit that they provoke a strong reaction in small populations so they have something to save everyone form. Continual crisis is necessary for extending political power.
Or is the idea that NZ wanting to restrict access to automatic weapons after a mass-murder is actually all a Five-Eyes** driven smokescreen so they can cause your man in Washington some tangential discomfort more important than reducing shootings?
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I don't have a man in Washington. However, close intelligence co-operation inevitably leads to some entrainment using the international relationships to get around certain legal bothers like not being able to spy on your own citizens or propagandize your own citizens by using each other's agencies to do it for them would be hard to outright prove in every case but must be a tremendous temptation. The Five-Eyes are usually very quick to agree on International matters like Venezuela and it wouldn't be remarkable if information control didn't extend to the kind of analysis the agencies hand out to government officials - it shouldn't be hard to guide a captive audience towards making the "right" decisions. I don't think it's a stretch to say that all the best dictatorships had a strong presence in intelligence services.
 
redrumloa said:
After murder rate passes NYC, London Mayor Sadiq Khan calls for sharper knife control

"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife," Khan tweeted. "Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."

Maybe one day you will see this is about CONTROL, not peoples' individual safety.
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redrumloa said:
"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife," Khan tweeted. "Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."
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Really? No excuse? I wonder how the human rights lawyers will respond to that. In Canada we already recognise the human right to carry a knife in school or on a plane or just about anywhere so long as you wear the right sort of hat.
 
Unbelievable.

Democrats Rallying Behind Disgraced Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel

One of the greatest assets of the Republican Party of Florida continues to be the Florida Democrats, who repeatedly find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They proved it again this week in Broward County, publicly organizing to support former Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel (D), who many view as culpable for his agency’s many failures related to the February 14, 2018 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida that left 17 students and teachers dead, and another 17 injured.

Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) wasted little time after he was sworn into office this January to take action against Sheriff Israel, suspending him a mere three days into his term as governor, via an executive order citing neglect of duty and incompetence by Israel. DeSantis also appointed Gregory Tony to take over as the new Broward County Sheriff.

Israel sued to try and keep his job, but has been rejected by the courts, with the Broward County Circuit Court dismissing his lawsuit against the governor earlier this month.

Israel’s local Democrats apparently find him far more sympathetic.

According to a report by the Sun Sentinel, at the meeting of the Broward County Democratic Executive Committee earlier this week, a resolution was considered to condemn DeSantis for suspending Israel “without good cause and with no hearing.”

The resolution was not able to be officially passed because the committee lacked the quorum of members needed for a vote, but Anthony Man, the Sun Sentinel reporter who attended the meeting, noted that “ased on applause and comments, most of the almost 100 people present for the discussion supported the resolution.”

Democrats can grumble about DeSantis’ suspension of Israel, but the inconvenient fact for them is that the governor is enjoying a “remarkably high” approval rating. Even his actions against Israel have been viewed more as a just response to severe professional malpractice rather than a partisan political maneuver by a Republican seeking to remove a Democrat.

To argue that Israel was suspended “without good cause” requires one to ignore the many missed opportunities, poor planning, miscommunications, neglect, and other failures by the Broward Sheriff’s Office under Israel’s leadership. It is a long and heartbreaking list, considering the horrific toll.
 
Colorado shooting: Teenager killed in high school attack
A teenager has been killed and seven others injured after two pupils allegedly opened fire in a US school.
The attack at the STEM School Highlands Ranch, near Denver, Colorado, took place on Tuesday, police said. Both attackers have now been arrested.
Highlands Ranch is just 8km (5 miles) from Columbine High School - the site of one of the US's worst school shootings 20 years ago.

This is believed to be the 115th mass shooting in the US in 2019.
 
Robert said:
Colorado shooting: Teenager killed in high school attack
A teenager has been killed and seven others injured after two pupils allegedly opened fire in a US school.
The attack at the STEM School Highlands Ranch, near Denver, Colorado, took place on Tuesday, police said. Both attackers have now been arrested.
Highlands Ranch is just 8km (5 miles) from Columbine High School - the site of one of the US's worst school shootings 20 years ago.
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As NOT being widely reported, the shooter is a transgender. She was born female, but identifies as a male. The Liberal Media is almost exclusively ignoring the fact the police are identifying her as her biological gender (a girl), not her chosen gender (a boy). It is becoming illegal to "missgender" someone from their "preferred" gender, until they commit murder, at which time you must ignore that they are transgender.

One of the two suspects in the Colorado school shooting is female, reportedly transgender

Also not being reported, that this is yet another rich white Liberal neighborhood same as Parkland and the rest of them. It is about damn time to start profiling these kids. The traits are always the same.
 
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