Another study showing the poor quality of Fox viewers

[metalman]

the State of Hawaii released Obama's birth certificate. THEY think he was born there.

Only fake "Certification of Live Birth" records have ever been released

Certifications of Live Birth (COLB)
"Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii (COLB) for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence"

Obama's actual birth certificate has never been released.

Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle placed Obama's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.

Other Obama hidden records:

Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport -- Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament" -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None

Illinois Bar Records -- Not released.
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

 

[faethor]

the State of Hawaii released Obama's birth certificate. THEY think he was born there.

Only fake "Certification of Live Birth" records have ever been released

Certifications of Live Birth (COLB)
"Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii (COLB) for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence"

I haven't checked every but many states have their statues readily available on the internet. The questions are does this statue exist, does it say what you claim, and would Obama fall under this statue? The first check would be to see what year this statue went into law. Carried on the statues is the date of inception and dates of change. (At least they do in Minnesota). The Hawaii State website indicates that 338-178 exists, says what you cited, and went into enforcement in 1982. So, if your charge is valid Obama must have been born after 1982. By the correctness of your charge Obama must have been 26 years old, at most. This is nearly a decade under the age required to be considered a candidate for the US. Now we have two charges to impeach. Please fill out the paperwork and drop off at the local government and tell us how it goes.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Since CO2 is a greenhouse gas and humans are the greatest contributor of this gas to the atmosphere and we have increased the CO2 content of the atmosphere it is simple fact that humans are a major contributor to warming.

Non sequitur logic

Is the planet hotter because there is more atmospheric CO2 or there is more atmospheric CO2 because the planet is hotter?

Heat, in and of itself, doesn't cause CO2. It does raise the temperature of the oceans and that reduces the amount of CO2 they can dissolve thus increasing atmospheric CO2 and the amount of heat the CO2 can trap. However, raising the CO2 content of the atmosphere will raise the temperature because CO2 absorbs infrared very well. Methane absorbs it better and though. Methane is starting to poor out of the permafrost in the north so a second driver is coming into play.

Because it is a complicated interaction and a non-linear system and local conditions vary so greatly it is easy to sow doubt about whether what is happening is happening. The simple physics of CO2 is quite simply demonstrated though. The heat trapping properties of that gas are well characterized and its concentration in the atmosphere and the trend of concentration over time is well known.

As a contracting party the Union deserves as much consideration as any other corporation.

Do they deserve preferential treatment to the bond holders? bankruptcy law says no.
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Considering the obligations that the company has to the unions (obligations that they were supposed to fund but did not) the unions are, effectively, creditors.

Now, here is an aside but I find it ironic ... it's been said that $1000 of the cost of a GM vehicle is due to medical costs for unionized employees. Let's not mention what part of the price is executive compensation - that would be crass - but the union medical benefits as cost has always been held up as making US built cars uncompetitive because Japanese manufacturers didn't pay this cost. Do you want to guess why? How about because the Japanese health system has government controlled costs, the government pays 70% of medical costs and for the remainder there is public insurance.

* 63% believe Obama was not born in the U.S.? ===> I'll give you that one, as soon as you show his actual birth certificate to confirm it,

I want to know how this conspiracy works. How many people are involved and by what means and agencies has the ruse been initiated and maintained?

There are Sooooo many steps between the story and you, including the guy that signs the cheques. There's the the involvement of "the Jews", Big Corporations, JP Morgan, Goldman-Sachs, Monsanto, the CIA, the Mossad, MI5, Fox News, The Bilderbergs, Skull & Bones, Trilateral Commission, ...[/quote]

Hmmmmm.

 

[metalman]

Only fake "Certification of Live Birth" records have ever been released

Certifications of Live Birth (COLB)
"Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii (COLB) for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence"

I haven't checked every but many states have their statues readily available on the internet. The first check would be to see what year this statue went into law. Carried on the statues is the date of inception and dates of change. (At least they do in Minnesota). The Hawaii State website indicates that 338-178 exists, says what you cited, and went into enforcement in 1982..

Red Herring
affirming the consequent
If A then B does not inference B therefore A

So you don't dispute that since Obama was born before 1982 then documents of an Obama COLB are fake. :roll:

 

[Robert]

Obama's actual birth certificate has never been released.
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So you don't dispute that since Obama was born before 1982 then documents of an Obama COLB are fake. :roll:

 

[faethor]

Robert well said.

 

[cecilia]

the State of Hawaii released Obama's birth certificate. THEY think he was born there.

Only fake "Certification of Live Birth" records have ever been released



Obama's actual birth certificate has never been released.

bullshit

The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu. . . . The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: “This has gotten ridiculous,” state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. “There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy.” . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? “I hope so,” Fukino said. “We need to get some work done.”

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/the-last-word-we-wish/

I say again, unless you and the rest of the {bleep} asshole morons think the entire motherfucking State of Hawaii is in some conspiracy, please get over it and shut the {bleep} up

 

[the_leander]

Birthers.


/thread.

 

[Robert]

Birthers.


/thread.

Cheers, Alan. That gave me a laugh.

 

[cecilia]

Birthers.


/thread.

what a riot! :roflmao:

and so accurate. a while ago i did some research on this topic because at first it seemed amusing.
what I discovered (not surprisingly) is that not one of these nutjobs offered one iota of proof. ever.

by way of example: my birth certificate is a copy. it has a raised stamp, but it's clearly a copy of the original which i assume is in some super secret vault in NY somewhere with all other certificates of people born in NY.

My mother says I was born in NY and as she was there I believe her. the hospital I was born in sent me birthday cards every year until I was 21. so THEY think I was born in NY.

but if those asshole birthers was judging MY birth origin they would not be convinced I was born in NY.

I could STILL be president of the USA. and i say {bleep} You to all birthers

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

It was Fox that started the practice of sending memos from top management telling journalists what spin was expected on the stories to be covered.

And sometimes those memos are egregious enough for other news outlets to notice.

 

[metalman]

I say again, unless you and the rest of the {bleep} asshole morons think the entire motherfucking State of Hawaii is in some conspiracy, please get over it and shut the {bleep} up

Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barry H Obama uses Social Security number 042-68-####, a number issued in Connecticut between 1976 and 1979, which is when Obama was supposedly was attending high school in Hawaii. Obama has never lived or worked in Connecticut, in his autobiography says he was only on the mainland once before attending college.

explain why he does not have a Hawaii issued SSN?

 

[faethor]

I say again, unless you and the rest of the {bleep} asshole morons think the entire motherfucking State of Hawaii is in some conspiracy, please get over it and shut the {bleep} up

Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barry H Obama uses Social Security number 042-68-####, a number issued in Connecticut between 1976 and 1979, which is when Obama was supposedly was attending high school in Hawaii. Obama has never lived or worked in Connecticut, in his autobiography says he was only on the mainland once before attending college.

explain why he does not have a Hawaii issued SSN?

There's too many assumptions here. First we assume you have the # correct. Second we assume there's only 1 Barry Soetoro in the US. Or if not 1 that the association is the correct Barry Soetoro. Not seeing a SSN at birth isn't abnormal, many people don't acquire one until they begin work after school.

I think you have to rule out the mundane. Is there a CT connection in Obama's life? Maybe another relative processed this for Obama and forwarded to him. Afterall we know his Mom and Dad were seperated. Does the Dad have a CT connection? Or maybe the processor entered a digit wrong. This was the 70s after all and one might save on processing time by not validating State entry vs Zip entry. Or perhaps save keying time by not forcing city/state entry as that's easily driven by Zipcode. Thus, if someone fat fingered the Zipcode it may have pulled a CT #. incorrectly.

And assuming all this to be true it in no way proves Obama is not a US citizen. Well, unless we assume Connecticut is not part of the USA. The big connection missing here is what/how as known in 1979 about Obama that would start the conspiracy spinning that this had to be done so he could be President?

 

[cecilia]

Americans have also been known to sometimes change their SS numbers for a variety of reasons.

it doesn't change their birth place.

I love the assholes who think that because Obama's father wasn't an American that negates Obama's citizenship. in their loverly sexist way they seem to forget Obama's Kansas born mother. and she really WAS at Obama's birth :mrgreen:

 

[faethor]

Americans have also been known to sometimes change their SS numbers for a variety of reasons.

it doesn't change their birth place.

I love the assholes who think that because Obama's father wasn't an American that negates Obama's citizenship. in their loverly sexist way they seem to forget Obama's Kansas born mother. and she really WAS at Obama's birth :mrgreen:

Americans have also been known to register in a different state. One of these reasons may be out of fear of action for another party. For example, fear of stalking from an abuser. Assuming all the hubbub about the CT registered SSN is true we're still missing the reason 'why'. It's a stretch to think this was all a big conspiracy.

It's amazing that in the 50s and 70s the conspiracy was in full spin and they were prepping the newborn for the Presidency of the USA. Crazy doesn't cover this mindset adequately.

And yes it is offensive to claim Obama isn't a citizen because his Dad wasn't. We don't have linkage only through the father. A natural born citizen is defined by 1401. The evidence that Obama was born outside the US is weak, to give it the benefit of doubt, though we do know 1 parent is clearly a US citizen. If it's true he's born in Kenya that doesn't remove his US citizenship as referenced in 1401.

Though it appears the other candidate, Arizona Senator John McCain, appears to have been born outside the contigious 48 states. Did we have 2 'aliens' running?

 

[metalman]

I say again, unless you and the rest of the {bleep} asshole morons think the entire motherfucking State of Hawaii is in some conspiracy, please get over it and shut the {bleep} up

Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barry H Obama uses Social Security number 042-68-####, a number issued in Connecticut between 1976 and 1979, which is when Obama was supposedly was attending high school in Hawaii. Obama has never lived or worked in Connecticut, in his autobiography says he was only on the mainland once before attending college.

explain why he does not have a Hawaii issued SSN?

There's too many assumptions here. First we assume you have the # correct.

The 042-68-#### number, is the one Barack H Obama used on his Selective Service application, he released, it also tracks to addresses used by Obama, as do some other SSN's interestingly. Senator Obama used SSN 282-90-XXXX.

 

[metalman]

Americans have also been known to sometimes change their SS numbers for a variety of reasons.

it a federal felony for anyone to "...willfully, knowingly, and with intent to deceive the Commissioner of Social Security as to his true identity (or the true identity of any other person) [furnish] or cause to be furnished false information to the Commissioner of Social Security with respect to any information required by the Commissioner of Social Security in connection with the establishment and maintenance of records provided for in section 405(c)(2) of this title."

 

[metalman]

I love the assholes who think that because Obama's father wasn't an American that negates Obama's citizenship. in their loverly sexist way they seem to forget Obama's Kansas born mother. and she really WAS at Obama's birth :mrgreen:

Coast Provincial Hospital, Mombassa, Kenya??

 

[faethor]

The 042-68-#### number, is the one Barack H Obama used on his Selective Service application, he released, it also tracks to addresses used by Obama, as do some other SSN's interestingly. Senator Obama used SSN 282-90-XXXX.

it a federal felony for anyone to "...willfully, knowingly, and with intent to deceive the Commissioner of Social Security as to his true identity (or the true identity of any other person) [furnish] or cause to be furnished false information to the Commissioner of Social Security with respect to any information required by the Commissioner of Social Security in connection with the establishment and maintenance of records provided for in section 405(c)(2) of this title."

Assuming all true how do you know it was done without the knowledge of the Commissioner of SS? Perhaps it was done preemptively to prevent fraud. Do you know you can have more than 1 Social Security #? As you can have it changed.New SS# due to fraud and New SS# due to victimization

Let's assume the worst as you have and Obama is trying to defraud the government. One can defraud the government in such a way without being an alien. This assumption is insufficent at establising Obma is an alien.

 

[metalman]

The 042-68-#### number, is the one Barack H Obama used on his Selective Service application, he released, it also tracks to addresses used by Obama, as do some other SSN's interestingly. Senator Obama used SSN 282-90-XXXX.

it a federal felony for anyone to "...willfully, knowingly, and with intent to deceive the Commissioner of Social Security as to his true identity (or the true identity of any other person) [furnish] or cause to be furnished false information to the Commissioner of Social Security with respect to any information required by the Commissioner of Social Security in connection with the establishment and maintenance of records provided for in section 405(c)(2) of this title."

This assumption is insufficent at establising Obma is an alien.

If you are a noncitizen living in the United States, you also may need a Social Security number. For more information, see Social Security Numbers For Noncitizens (Publication No. 05-10096).