Another study showing the poor quality of Fox viewers

[FluffyMcDeath]

I still need this conspiracy explained.

Who does it benefit? Who orchestrates it? How is it done? What is it for? The basics.

 

[faethor]

Coast Provincial Hospital, Mombassa, Kenya??

If you are a noncitizen living in the United States, you also may need a Social Security number. For more information, see Social Security Numbers For Noncitizens (Publication No. 05-10096).

We've already seen being physically born inside the US is not the only legal way a natural citizen exists. This also exists based on 1 parent and adhereing to any of the options under 1401. ASSUMING that Obama was really born in Kenya to his (fact) American Mother he could easily still be counted as a natural citizen and therefore electable to the Presidency.

And interesting that a noncitizen may obtain a SS#. Though you've neither proved that Obama has foreign citizenship and therefore must apply for a SS# under that document nor your assertion that Obama defrauded the Commissioner of Social Security.

 

[faethor]

Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barry H Obama uses Social Security number 042-68-####, a number issued in Connecticut between 1976 and 1979, which is when Obama was supposedly was attending high school in Hawaii. Obama has never lived or worked in Connecticut, in his autobiography says he was only on the mainland once before attending college.

explain why he does not have a Hawaii issued SSN?

In fact the Social Security Administration's published information fails to confirm your assertion that the number can only be used in CT. LINK "Thus, the Area Number (first 3 digits) does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since." & "One should not make too much of the "geographical code." It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information"

If the Social Security Administration doesn't see the code as a definitive marker why are you assuming it must be? And since this code is not a definitive marker I'd assume the agency would handle it as such. Error checking would be superfluous. Something such as a wrong zipcode entry which brought up a wrong Area Number is, as presented by the SSA, unimportant. There'd be no requirement to find it let alone'fix' it.

I think you've replace something that's mundane with an excuse that's extraordinary.

 

[metalman]

Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barry H Obama uses Social Security number 042-68-####, a number issued in Connecticut between 1976 and 1979, which is when Obama was supposedly was attending high school in Hawaii. Obama has never lived or worked in Connecticut, in his autobiography says he was only on the mainland once before attending college.

explain why he does not have a Hawaii issued SSN?

In fact the Social Security Administration's published information fails to confirm your assertion that the number can only be used in CT. LINK "Thus, the Area Number (first 3 digits) does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since." & "One should not make too much of the "geographical code." It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information"

If the Social Security Administration doesn't see the code as a definitive marker why are you assuming it must be?

:roflmao:
Social Security Numbers Can Be Predicted Using Public Information

In June 2011 the Social Security Administration will convert to number “randomization” because the first five digits of the old system can be quickly guessed using only public information.

 

[metalman]

Coast Provincial Hospital, Mombassa, Kenya??

If you are a noncitizen living in the United States, you also may need a Social Security number. For more information, see Social Security Numbers For Noncitizens (Publication No. 05-10096).

And interesting that a noncitizen may obtain a SS#. Though you've neither proved that Obama has foreign citizenship and therefore must apply for a SS# under that document nor your assertion that Obama defrauded the Commissioner of Social Security.

yes those are the Social Security Cards stamped "Not Eligible for Work Purposes"

In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, six addresses have been found for those years, and for some very odd reason connected to a SSN begining with 999, the "Not Eligible for Work Purposes" one given to Noncitizens, but no hits for the 046 number.

 

[faethor]

In fact the Social Security Administration's published information fails to confirm your assertion that the number can only be used in CT. LINK "Thus, the Area Number (first 3 digits) does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since." & "One should not make too much of the "geographical code." It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information"

If the Social Security Administration doesn't see the code as a definitive marker why are you assuming it must be?

:roflmao:
Social Security Numbers Can Be Predicted Using Public Information

In June 2011 the Social Security Administration will convert to number “randomization” because the first five digits of the old system can be quickly guessed using only public information.

Did you read the SSA article? If so you should be able to understand how the system wasn't built to be completely random. You should be able to understand how the system wasn't constructed that #ing wasn't mandatory and need not be adhered too. To me this means often, but not always, a pattern was followed so there will be a high degree of predicatibility. While predicatibility is high it's not 100% guaranteed. It seems to me clerical errors occurred but nothing was done to correct them. The #ing was a guideline not a requirement.

 

[faethor]

yes those are the Social Security Cards stamped "Not Eligible for Work Purposes"

In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, six addresses have been found for those years, and for some very odd reason connected to a SSN begining with 999, the "Not Eligible for Work Purposes" one given to Noncitizens, but no hits for the 046 number.

Why would be looking for a hit of 046 when you told us he used 042 and 282?

There is no 999 SS#. It appears some universities use this for a placeholder for students without a #. Look at the SSA's #s. There are no #s in the 900 range.

....
So where are we now?
You told us 999 is issued by the SSA for non-work purposes. It's been proven that official 999 codes, and therefore cards, don't exist.

You told us he had a CT #. The SSA indicates there are state codes but they are not mandatory. There is a chance he was issued a different code and the agency didn't 'fix' it to a Hawaiian #.

You tell us he was born in Kenya. It's been shown that birth location is not the only requirement to be a natural US Citizen.

You've told us it's a felony to deceive the SS office. Which is true but you provided us no evidence that Obama did this. If so he may be guilty of a crime, but it ain't illegality.

You claim law 338-178 applies to Obama. We've seen this law went into effect after Obama's birth so couldn't possibly apply to him.

There was an implicit assumption that one couldn't have multiple SS#s. People can have multiples, just not all active at the same time.

I took the time to go to the government agencies and fact check some of your claims. I'd recommend you do more research here as your evidence is clearly faulty.

 

[cecilia]

I still need this conspiracy explained.

Who does it benefit? Who orchestrates it? How is it done? What is it for? The basics.

it benefits morons with no lives





ps
and i was clearly referring to a LEGAL change in SS numbers

 

[metalman]

yes those are the Social Security Cards stamped "Not Eligible for Work Purposes"

In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, six addresses have been found for those years, and for some very odd reason connected to a SSN begining with 999, the "Not Eligible for Work Purposes" one given to Noncitizens, but no hits for the 046 number.

Why would be looking for a hit of 046 when you told us he used 042 and 282?

There is no 999 SS#. It appears some universities use this for a placeholder for students without a #. Look at the SSA's #s. There are no #s in the 900 range.

....
So where are we now?
You told us 999 is issued by the SSA for non-work purposes. It's been proven that official 999 codes, and therefore cards, don't exist. .

Typo
Specifically, no use of #042-68-4425

ITIN's were originally issued on Social Security Card stock stamped "Not eligible for employment." to green card holders.

I have seen some first hand.. The numbers intentionally use the 900 block outside the range of the valid for SSN work numbers, but are used by the green card holder to present for requests of a ssn identification number, which is why they were printed on SSN card stock.

People using multiple SSN's are either Illegal Immigrants or Grifters or both take your pick

 

[faethor]

yes those are the Social Security Cards stamped "Not Eligible for Work Purposes"

In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, six addresses have been found for those years, and for some very odd reason connected to a SSN begining with 999, the "Not Eligible for Work Purposes" one given to Noncitizens, but no hits for the 046 number.

There is no 999 SS#. It appears some universities use this for a placeholder for students without a #. Look at the SSA's #s. There are no #s in the 900 range.

You told us 999 is issued by the SSA for non-work purposes. It's been proven that official 999 codes, and therefore cards, don't exist. .

ITIN's were originally issued on Social Security Card stock stamped "Not eligible for employment." to green card holders.

Even if on the same stock an ITIN is not a SS#. An I.ndividual T.axpayer I.dentification N.umber is issuable to someone that doesn't qualify for a SS#. Additionally the ITIN is from the IRS not the Social Security Administration, so still the 900 has not been used by the SSA.

Do you mean to switch your statement to Obama used an ITIN? This record is from his college, as you indicated. Does the college dual purpose the SS# field to track ITIN's in there too? I've already shown that colleges will track 999 in the field if the student doesn't have a SS#. Doing so doesn't mean they are tracking the ITIN, a student could have neither. The 'evidence' that Obama had a 999 SS# is, well non-existent as 999 #'s don't exist. I know you want to guess again but perhaps you should go determine what it was instead of guessing then claiming that guess to be correct.

People using multiple SSN's are either Illegal Immigrants or Grifters or both take your pick

Personal opinions aside the SSA, as I linked to, allows changes for identify theft and victims of abuse. I'll also assume someone in the witness protection program, along with a new name, would receive a new SS#. Your 'take your pick' isn't a great option since you fail to list all the reasons.

Is GWBush an illegal? He used multiple Driver License numbers. LINK Here too we see records changed along the way. I'd pursume that something security related necessitated a change. Which I'd think a SS# change for the same reason could be a very sensible answer.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

@metalman

Perhaps somewhere in here you already answered me but I'm still waiting for the basics. Can you summarize it. I need to know who, how and why? How does the conspiracy work and what is it for?

 

[Robert]

Robert well said.

Well, it was either that or......

 

[cecilia]

@metalman

Perhaps somewhere in here you already answered me but I'm still waiting for the basics. Can you summarize it. I need to know who, how and why? How does the conspiracy work and what is it for?

none of these people will EVER have an answer.
I've done research and asked people who buy this crap a whole series of pointed, precise questions and not ONCE have I gotten any answer. they just spew the same shit over and over

 

[metalman]

Chris Matthews: Why Doesn't Obama Just Release The Birth Certificate?

:roflmao:
you now have to present either a passport or a photo ID and a long form birth certificate copy when walking across the bridge from mexico

So what is Obama hiding??

 

[faethor]

Chris Matthews: Why Doesn't Obama Just Release The Birth Certificate?

:roflmao:
you now have to present either a passport or a photo ID and a long form birth certificate copy when walking across the bridge from mexico

So what is Obama hiding??

Obama has already provided the recognized legal document. The document was stamped as offical from the Dept of Health in Hawaii. The document was professed to as legal and binding by Hawaiian Officals. Records of birth announcements were found in two 1961 Hawaiian newspapers(Honolulu Star Bulletin and Honolulu Advertiser) with the August 4th date. To top it off the US House unanimously passed a recognition of Hawaii's 50th state anniversary which included a clause that "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961." And you really think another legal document will settle this?

 

[cecilia]

Chris Matthews: Why Doesn't Obama Just Release The Birth Certificate?

:roflmao:
you now have to present either a passport or a photo ID and a long form birth certificate copy when walking across the bridge from mexico

So what is Obama hiding??

Obama has already provided the recognized legal document. The document was stamped as offical from the Dept of Health in Hawaii. The document was professed to as legal and binding by Hawaiian Officals. Records of birth announcements were found in two 1961 Hawaiian newspapers(Honolulu Star Bulletin and Honolulu Advertiser) with the August 4th date. To top it off the US House unanimously passed a recognition of Hawaii's 50th state anniversary which included a clause that "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961." And you really think another legal document will settle this?

if you are familiar with the comedian Chris Rock I will now paraphrase one of his famous lines,

"teabaggers love NOT to Know"

it's only funny if you heard the original bit, but I just had to include it here. :roflmao:

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

On the stimulus.

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[faethor]

"teabaggers love NOT to Know"

it's only funny if you heard the original bit, but I just had to include it here. :roflmao:

I went out and found the sketch. Thanks good humor.

But really what's going on here? Demands for Obama's 'other' birth certificate are necessary because this group has assumed guilt. And in return they demand Obama prove his innocence. We've seen in this thread that many points are not true. It's as easy as doing a Google search to check the law or check the policy of the agency. Even without Obama's action. The only way to keep these is to 'love NOT to know'.

The hard part, as always, is the people. Study after study demonstrate that people believe something stronger if it's denied. Giving response, even if opposite, is treated that the charge is true. My recommendation to Obama would be ignore this and focus on the job of being President. Afterall this population wouldn't vote for you anyway.