Anti-evolution movie making liberal reviewers furious!

redrumloa said:
You all can make your mind about the movie without seeing it? I seem to remember getting ripped to shreds for refusing to pay money for Moore's nonsense propoganda piece.
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I agree. I only said that what I have seen of it so far has not impressed me. It just takes some old arguments and trots out the old "scientist conspiracy" canard. I will almost certainly download it and watch it, I'm just not going to pay for the experience.

For the record I think it would be foolish to claim evolution does not exist in any form, obviously it does. I doubt most ID supporters would deny evolution exists.
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Well, it certainly is foolish. However, IDers like to pick and choose what could have evolved and invariably anything that they like to point at as an example of something that couldn't evolve gets shown to be something that can be shown to be exactly the sort of thing that could have evolved. Basically, ID is creationism: creationism is religion.

What Ben does, besides the dishonesty of interviewing under deliberately false pretenses (because he knows well that the scientists he "interviewed" would not have agreed to be interviewed in such a movie), he is dishonest (or very confused) about what evolution is.

He takes biological evolution and tries to say that it doesn't explain the creation of the universe, neglecting to mention that it isn't supposed to. It's like saying since the theory of electromagnetism doesn't explain gravity we have to invoke the theory of "intelligent falling", or that some great supernatural being keeps us down.
 
redrumloa said:
You all can make your mind about the movie without seeing it? I seem to remember getting ripped to shreds for refusing to pay money for Moore's nonsense propoganda piece.
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I agree. I only said that what I have seen of it so far has not impressed me. It just takes some old arguments and trots out the old "scientist conspiracy" canard. I will almost certainly download it and watch it, I'm just not going to pay for the experience.

For the record I think it would be foolish to claim evolution does not exist in any form, obviously it does. I doubt most ID supporters would deny evolution exists.
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Well, it certainly is foolish. However, IDers like to pick and choose what could have evolved and invariably anything that they like to point at as an example of something that couldn't evolve gets shown to be something that can be shown to be exactly the sort of thing that could have evolved. Basically, ID is creationism: creationism is religion.

What Ben does, besides the dishonesty of interviewing under deliberately false pretenses (because he knows well that the scientists he "interviewed" would not have agreed to be interviewed in such a movie), he is dishonest (or very confused) about what evolution is.

He takes biological evolution and tries to say that it doesn't explain the creation of the universe, neglecting to mention that it isn't supposed to. It's like saying since the theory of electromagnetism doesn't explain gravity we have to invoke the theory of "intelligent falling", or that some great supernatural being keeps us down.
 
redrumloa said:
"Expelled" relies on the viewer's inability or unwillingness to wrestle with a complex corner of science, double-talking its way toward a "must be a miracle" solution to anything that science may not claim to have an answer for. Dismiss that for having no basis in fact, and you're infringing on "academic freedom."
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Can't you just see the froth dripping down the sides of the reviewer's mounth? :lol:

I think I need to see this movie, I like anything that pisses the establishment off.
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Establishment? Religion is a far far older establishment then science.

I've read reviews of this movie and my judgement is that it's not worth my $10 to go to the theatre. I will rent it.

What reviews have left me with is that the movie fails to argue the evidence for creationism. In one part they talk about people 'expelled' for trying to publish ID work. Okay but that's not evidence for ID. Stein blames atheists for jewish death camps. Not okay. But, even if okay again we see him even farther off arguing pro-ID solutions. We all know Godwin's Law.

Of course it is amusing that Expelled have Expelled,PZ Myers, from the theatre. They claim he 'snuck in'. Of course it couldn't be farther from the truth. The movie was open for anyone and he stood in line just like anyone else to get a ticket. Seems at least this way they are their own worst enemy.
 
redrumloa said:
"Expelled" relies on the viewer's inability or unwillingness to wrestle with a complex corner of science, double-talking its way toward a "must be a miracle" solution to anything that science may not claim to have an answer for. Dismiss that for having no basis in fact, and you're infringing on "academic freedom."
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Can't you just see the froth dripping down the sides of the reviewer's mounth? :lol:

I think I need to see this movie, I like anything that pisses the establishment off.
Click to expand...
Establishment? Religion is a far far older establishment then science.

I've read reviews of this movie and my judgement is that it's not worth my $10 to go to the theatre. I will rent it.

What reviews have left me with is that the movie fails to argue the evidence for creationism. In one part they talk about people 'expelled' for trying to publish ID work. Okay but that's not evidence for ID. Stein blames atheists for jewish death camps. Not okay. But, even if okay again we see him even farther off arguing pro-ID solutions. We all know Godwin's Law.

Of course it is amusing that Expelled have Expelled,PZ Myers, from the theatre. They claim he 'snuck in'. Of course it couldn't be farther from the truth. The movie was open for anyone and he stood in line just like anyone else to get a ticket. Seems at least this way they are their own worst enemy.
 
redrumloa said:
"Expelled" relies on the viewer's inability or unwillingness to wrestle with a complex corner of science, double-talking its way toward a "must be a miracle" solution to anything that science may not claim to have an answer for. Dismiss that for having no basis in fact, and you're infringing on "academic freedom."
Click to expand...

Can't you just see the froth dripping down the sides of the reviewer's mounth? :lol:

I think I need to see this movie, I like anything that pisses the establishment off.
Click to expand...
Establishment? Religion is a far far older establishment then science.

I've read reviews of this movie and my judgement is that it's not worth my $10 to go to the theatre. I will rent it.

What reviews have left me with is that the movie fails to argue the evidence for creationism. In one part they talk about people 'expelled' for trying to publish ID work. Okay but that's not evidence for ID. Stein blames atheists for jewish death camps. Not okay. But, even if okay again we see him even farther off arguing pro-ID solutions. We all know Godwin's Law.

Of course it is amusing that Expelled have Expelled,PZ Myers, from the theatre. They claim he 'snuck in'. Of course it couldn't be farther from the truth. The movie was open for anyone and he stood in line just like anyone else to get a ticket. Seems at least this way they are their own worst enemy.
 
redrumloa said:
"Expelled" relies on the viewer's inability or unwillingness to wrestle with a complex corner of science, double-talking its way toward a "must be a miracle" solution to anything that science may not claim to have an answer for. Dismiss that for having no basis in fact, and you're infringing on "academic freedom."
Click to expand...

Can't you just see the froth dripping down the sides of the reviewer's mounth? :lol:

I think I need to see this movie, I like anything that pisses the establishment off.
Click to expand...
Establishment? Religion is a far far older establishment then science.

I've read reviews of this movie and my judgement is that it's not worth my $10 to go to the theatre. I will rent it.

What reviews have left me with is that the movie fails to argue the evidence for creationism. In one part they talk about people 'expelled' for trying to publish ID work. Okay but that's not evidence for ID. Stein blames atheists for jewish death camps. Not okay. But, even if okay again we see him even farther off arguing pro-ID solutions. We all know Godwin's Law.

Of course it is amusing that Expelled have Expelled,PZ Myers, from the theatre. They claim he 'snuck in'. Of course it couldn't be farther from the truth. The movie was open for anyone and he stood in line just like anyone else to get a ticket. Seems at least this way they are their own worst enemy.
 
redrumloa said:
"Expelled" relies on the viewer's inability or unwillingness to wrestle with a complex corner of science, double-talking its way toward a "must be a miracle" solution to anything that science may not claim to have an answer for. Dismiss that for having no basis in fact, and you're infringing on "academic freedom."
Click to expand...

Can't you just see the froth dripping down the sides of the reviewer's mounth? :lol:

I think I need to see this movie, I like anything that pisses the establishment off.
Click to expand...
Establishment? Religion is a far far older establishment then science.

I've read reviews of this movie and my judgement is that it's not worth my $10 to go to the theatre. I will rent it.

What reviews have left me with is that the movie fails to argue the evidence for creationism. In one part they talk about people 'expelled' for trying to publish ID work. Okay but that's not evidence for ID. Stein blames atheists for jewish death camps. Not okay. But, even if okay again we see him even farther off arguing pro-ID solutions. We all know Godwin's Law.

Of course it is amusing that Expelled have Expelled,PZ Myers, from the theatre. They claim he 'snuck in'. Of course it couldn't be farther from the truth. The movie was open for anyone and he stood in line just like anyone else to get a ticket. Seems at least this way they are their own worst enemy.
 
redrumloa said:
"Expelled" relies on the viewer's inability or unwillingness to wrestle with a complex corner of science, double-talking its way toward a "must be a miracle" solution to anything that science may not claim to have an answer for. Dismiss that for having no basis in fact, and you're infringing on "academic freedom."
Click to expand...

Can't you just see the froth dripping down the sides of the reviewer's mounth? :lol:

I think I need to see this movie, I like anything that pisses the establishment off.
Click to expand...
Establishment? Religion is a far far older establishment then science.

I've read reviews of this movie and my judgement is that it's not worth my $10 to go to the theatre. I will rent it.

What reviews have left me with is that the movie fails to argue the evidence for creationism. In one part they talk about people 'expelled' for trying to publish ID work. Okay but that's not evidence for ID. Stein blames atheists for jewish death camps. Not okay. But, even if okay again we see him even farther off arguing pro-ID solutions. We all know Godwin's Law.

Of course it is amusing that Expelled have Expelled,PZ Myers, from the theatre. They claim he 'snuck in'. Of course it couldn't be farther from the truth. The movie was open for anyone and he stood in line just like anyone else to get a ticket. Seems at least this way they are their own worst enemy.
 
Just check out this clip of Ben on Hannity and Colmes and wait for Ben's final comment which tells you exactly what the agenda is.

He says: "People took our God away from us and gave us Darwinism. Darwinism doesn't work. We'd like our God back"

Aw, poor babies. Bad men took their God away.Boo hoo.



Just as an aside, Ben said that the idea of killing whole races came from Darwinism. Is he trying to say that the Old Testament is a post Darwin document?
 
Just check out this clip of Ben on Hannity and Colmes and wait for Ben's final comment which tells you exactly what the agenda is.

He says: "People took our God away from us and gave us Darwinism. Darwinism doesn't work. We'd like our God back"

Aw, poor babies. Bad men took their God away.Boo hoo.



Just as an aside, Ben said that the idea of killing whole races came from Darwinism. Is he trying to say that the Old Testament is a post Darwin document?
 
Just check out this clip of Ben on Hannity and Colmes and wait for Ben's final comment which tells you exactly what the agenda is.

He says: "People took our God away from us and gave us Darwinism. Darwinism doesn't work. We'd like our God back"

Aw, poor babies. Bad men took their God away.Boo hoo.



Just as an aside, Ben said that the idea of killing whole races came from Darwinism. Is he trying to say that the Old Testament is a post Darwin document?
 
Just check out this clip of Ben on Hannity and Colmes and wait for Ben's final comment which tells you exactly what the agenda is.

He says: "People took our God away from us and gave us Darwinism. Darwinism doesn't work. We'd like our God back"

Aw, poor babies. Bad men took their God away.Boo hoo.



Just as an aside, Ben said that the idea of killing whole races came from Darwinism. Is he trying to say that the Old Testament is a post Darwin document?
 
Just check out this clip of Ben on Hannity and Colmes and wait for Ben's final comment which tells you exactly what the agenda is.

He says: "People took our God away from us and gave us Darwinism. Darwinism doesn't work. We'd like our God back"

Aw, poor babies. Bad men took their God away.Boo hoo.



Just as an aside, Ben said that the idea of killing whole races came from Darwinism. Is he trying to say that the Old Testament is a post Darwin document?
 
Just check out this clip of Ben on Hannity and Colmes and wait for Ben's final comment which tells you exactly what the agenda is.

He says: "People took our God away from us and gave us Darwinism. Darwinism doesn't work. We'd like our God back"

Aw, poor babies. Bad men took their God away.Boo hoo.



Just as an aside, Ben said that the idea of killing whole races came from Darwinism. Is he trying to say that the Old Testament is a post Darwin document?
 
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