Arizona Rep. Giffords shot, several wounded, aide killed

Police are looking for a person of interest.

If it turns out that there is an accomplice then this becomes a conspiracy. I don't expect it will (even if it is).

Nonetheless, if this thing goes to trial and drags into 2012 it will definitely be a damper on Palin's plans.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
cecilia said:
yes, I know....but you don't seriously want me to waste my time reading that crap, do you? :mrgreen:
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I expect you to have read it before you call it crap. Too many people have opinions on things they haven't read but simply choose to adopt other people's opinions. This is a form of censorship. If influential people denounce something as crap then other people will not read it. It may or may not be crap but most of the people who say it is don't say it from their own judgment.

Many good books and ideas have been hidden from public view by this denouncement.

I am not going to make a pronouncement on the unabomber manifesto though I have read more of it than many. I will only assert that those who haven't read it have no grounds to judge.
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if I was going to write a dissertation on the topic then sure, I'd read it.
just like my mother did when she was in college read Mein Kampf in the ORIGINAL German and wrote a paper. She majored in German, BTW. It's not that she thought it was a brilliant book. just an exercise.

anyway, Kaczynski is a nut. that's not a medical opinion. just my feelings and that's good enough for a lighthearted discussion on a message board.

do I think some companies misuse technology and make a mess of the planet? well, derp, yes. am I going to send out bombs to hurt people? well, derp, no

reasonable people don't respond to differences of opinion using violence

note that palin's response to differences of opinions is to put TARGETS on them. eh, hem :mrgreen:
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Police are looking for a person of interest.

If it turns out that there is an accomplice then this becomes a conspiracy. I don't expect it will (even if it is).

Nonetheless, if this thing goes to trial and drags into 2012 it will definitely be a damper on Palin's plans.
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unless he did more than just stand around the place, this guy may just be someone who simply was THERE - having nothing to do with the shooter

altho I understand the police wanting to eliminate Everyone from being a possible accomplice. after all, the Nut shooter is not cooperating. I'm guessing he's disappointed he is still alive. and he's not the only one :mrgreen:

altho at this point he needs to go to the nut house and get off the street
 
cecilia said:
the Nut shooter is not cooperating. I'm guessing he's disappointed he is still alive. and he's not the only one :mrgreen:
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There are those who are disappointed that he is alive because they want vengeance. There are others who find it just damned inconvenient. maybe he will die in custody.
 
This is kind of weird and I don't know if somebody did this as a joke or what but if you go to http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2 it seems to be a youtube channel for Gabrielle Giffords created in Feb 2008. At the bottom of the page she is subscribed to only two other youtube channels. One is the channel of Congressman Ike Skelton. The other is this one.
 
The Palin angle has now reached Scottish radio news. Mention of 'rifle sights' and 'crosshairs'.
 
Robert said:
The Palin angle has now reached Scottish radio news. Mention of 'rifle sights' and 'crosshairs'.
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Not surprised, the left never lets a good tragedy go to waste. The liberal media is on this story like flies on shit. It appears the shooter was a deeply deranged person, not some ranking member of the tea party or Palin aid but reality won't stop the kind of nonsense we are seeing.

Gifford shooting: Despicable opportunists


http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/nola ... logid=1393

What despicable opportunists are some on the Left to exploit the tragic attack that killed six in Arizona and badly wounded Rep.Gabrielle Giffords, a Phoenix Democrat.

Even before police have had a chance to interrogate 22-year old Jared Loughner, the liberal media was blaming American political vitriol for the shootings.

The Washington Post went there at the top of its story - without any evidence to support the theory. CNN specifically targeted Sarah Palin because she occasionally uses gun references. Others who got tagged were Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and the Tea Party.

Never mind that the suspect had a history of mental problems and no record of political involvement.

I don't recall the liberal media being so concerned about the tone of discourse when George W. Bush's inaugural motorcade was pelted with eggs, or when "Bush lied, people died" bumper stickers were plastered on every Prius, or when Hollywood couldn't have an awards show without someone denouncing Bush. They even made a movie fantasizing about his assassination.

It's shameless for them to use this tragedy as an opportunity to silence legitimate protests over Obamacare, illegal immigration, and other far-left policies. These guys are hypocrites who are dripping with hatred even as they try to paint others as haters.
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redrumloa said:
It appears the shooter was a deeply deranged person
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Well, there's little doubt the shooter is deranged. The thing is, when you base your entire PR campaign around the gun metaphor, and you continue to tell people not to retreat but to reload (implying not only to keep on shooting, but also that shooting is the path to righteousness) it takes only one deranged nut job to misinterpret the metaphor for a disaster to take place. When speaking to a large crowd, you can't assume everyone is of sound mind.
 
It's shameless for them to use this tragedy as an opportunity to silence legitimate protests over Obamacare, illegal immigration, and other far-left policies. These guys are hypocrites who are dripping with hatred even as they try to paint others as haters.
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Like it was shameless to use 911 as a way to suppress legitimate protest over wars and government secrecy and suspensions of people's rights.

You know what was the epitome of opportunism? Getting a report on your desk saying that Osama bin Laden was determined to attack in the US then going on holiday, essentially leaving the door open, then using the resulting attack as an excuse to invade two countries in a resource important area.

The "shut up or we'll shoot you, you lefty" crowd have been getting away with their bullying for long enough. They made the environment for this to happen. Do you support their rhetoric. Are you defending the shock jocks who said they'd pay for the bullets if "traitors" were taken out? Are you holding them blameless just because they were cowardly inciting violence from the safety of their studios rather than out in the field pulling the trigger. Are you saying it's perfectly fine to tell people to shoot people, just wrong to actually do it?
 
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You know what else is despicable opportunism? Using an attack against a Democrat to attack the Democrats. Karl Rove knows his business. Always respond with an attack no matter what the topic.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
The "shut up or we'll shoot you, you lefty" crowd have been getting away with their bullying for long enough. They made the environment for this to happen. Do you support their rhetoric. Are you defending the shock jocks who said they'd pay for the bullets if "traitors" were taken out? Are you holding them blameless just because they were cowardly inciting violence from the safety of their studios rather than out in the field pulling the trigger. Are you saying it's perfectly fine to tell people to shoot people, just wrong to actually do it?
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Boy you are way out there. Forgetting the fact there is no such mainstream "shut up lefty or we will shoot you" crowd for a minute. Not only is there no proof this guy had any political ties to the tea party or Palin, the details emerging point to the exact opposite. He was a deranged drug addict, anarchist liberal who took out one of his own party for whatever convoluted, drug fueled nonsense went through his brain.
 
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@redrumloa

You know what else is despicable opportunism? Using an attack against a Democrat to attack the Democrats. Karl Rove knows his business. Always respond with an attack no matter what the topic.
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Gee, how convenient. A deranged democrat takes out a democrat, republicans get the blame and it is despicable to point out the hypocrisy?

Great logic there.
 
redrumloa said:
Forgetting the fact there is no such mainstream "shut up lefty or we will shoot you" crowd for a minute.
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And the sky is not blue. OK, you convinced me. If a thing is obvious then it must not be true.
He was a deranged drug addict, anarchist liberal who took out one of his own party for whatever convoluted, drug fueled nonsense went through his brain.
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Let's turn to Rush for some intelligent commentary.
"The guy listened to heavy metal, and some of that anarchist stuff. We're dealing with an insane individual."
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Well, that's settles it for me. Ditto.
 
redrumloa said:
Gee, how convenient. A deranged democrat takes out a democrat......
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He was a Democrat?
 
redrumloa said:
Robert said:
He was a Democrat?
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Apparently, but the pitch fork and tar & feather crowd doesn't seem to want to hear or care.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/classm ... e-liberal/

The liberal media is conveniently ignoring all this.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... um=twitter
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Ehm - where in either of those links does it say he was Democrat?

All I can see is a Twitter post saying he was 'left wing and quite liberal'. (Which doesn't even prove he was left wing and liberal, never mind a Democrat. I'm left-wing and liberal but I would not vote for a party like the Democrats. They're neither left wing nor liberal.)
 
Robert said:
Ehm - where in either of those links does it say he was Democrat?

All I can see is a Twitter post saying he was 'left wing and quite liberal'. (Which doesn't even prove he was left wing and liberal, never mind a Democrat. I'm left-wing and liberal but I would not vote for a party like the Democrats. They're neither left wing nor liberal.)
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You are in Glasgow :) Typically when someone says they are left wing or quite liberal in the USA, it means they would lean towards the democratic party. After some curious digging, it seems to be a lot of misinformation out there. It looks as though he was registered as independent.

http://theblogprof.blogspot.com/2011/01 ... ghner.html
 
redrumloa said:
Robert said:
Ehm - where in either of those links does it say he was Democrat?

All I can see is a Twitter post saying he was 'left wing and quite liberal'. (Which doesn't even prove he was left wing and liberal, never mind a Democrat. I'm left-wing and liberal but I would not vote for a party like the Democrats. They're neither left wing nor liberal.)
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You are in Glasgow :) Typically when someone says they are left wing or quite liberal in the USA, it means they would lean towards the democratic party.
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Even still, you assumed all that from some Twitter post, not even made by the person in question?

After some curious digging, it seems to be a lot of misinformation out there.
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You don't say? :roflmao:

It looks as though he was registered as independent.
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So, not a Democrat after all.
 
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{bleep} hypocrites, scum of the earth.
 
Robert said:
So, not a Democrat after all.
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So he was a leftist, liberal independent who's favorite book was the Communist Manifesto? Oh yeah, he must have been a major Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck fan :roll:
 
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