Climate Change - Is the Tide Turning?

[metalman]

I'd have to check the UK Met Office but the generally accepted list of warmest 10 years since 1880 falls out as...
1) 1998
2) 2005
3) 2003
4) 2002
5) 2009 (Current estimated place)
6) 2004
7) 2006
8) 2007
9) 2001
10) 2008

Having 9 out of the top 10 warmest years in 00's means it's not the hottest?

Your list is Bovine Scat

Nasa's data list here

Top 10 GISS U.S. Temperature deviation (deg C)

Year
1934 1.25
1998 1.23
1921 1.15
2006 1.13
1931 1.08
1999 0.93
1953 0.90
1990 0.87
1938 0.86
1939 0.85

 

[faethor]

I'd have to check the UK Met Office but the generally accepted list of warmest 10 years since 1880 falls out as...
1) 1998
2) 2005
3) 2003
4) 2002
5) 2009 (Current estimated place)
6) 2004
7) 2006
8) 2007
9) 2001
10) 2008

Having 9 out of the top 10 warmest years in 00's means it's not the hottest?

Your list is Bovine Scat

Nasa's data list here

Top 10 GISS U.S. Temperature deviation (deg C)

Sorry Metalman you've earned another FAIL.

Climate is a worldwide event. My temps were worldwide events. Your list was US. US != World.

 

[Glaucus]

Jesus metalman, the climate doesn't end at the US border! :roll:

That's the most US-Centric post I've ever seen. We should definitely all pitch in and get you some kind of award for that.

 

[metalman]

Climate is a worldwide event. My temps were worldwide events. Your list was US. US != World.

If it is CO2 that causes global warming, I would expect that North America would be the region of the world in which the warming is MORE severely felt.
But it seems that North America is being LESS affected by long term warming...

hmmmmm ....

October 2009 was the 3rd coldest October in 115 yrs of recorded history in the United States.

 

[redrumloa]

Jesus metalman, the climate doesn't end at the US border! :roll:

That's the most US-Centric post I've ever seen. We should definitely all pitch in and get you some kind of award for that.

Funny, you guys think US policy should end at the US border except when it comes to Global Warming nonsense. In that case the US tax payer should flip the bill for the whole world, based on junk science.

 

[cecilia]

Good find Cecilia.

thanks, there may be something here as well (haven't read all of it), but I like the idea

Sense About Science

believe it or not I'm getting these links from my "friends" on Facebook.

 

[faethor]

Climate is a worldwide event. My temps were worldwide events. Your list was US. US != World.

If it is CO2 that causes global warming, I would expect that North America would be the region of the world in which the warming is MORE severely felt.
But it seems that North America is being LESS affected by long term warming...

What makes you predict this? Certainly there are no walls at 20K feet it's not like the CO2 just sits there.

October 2009 was the 3rd coldest October in 115 yrs of recorded history in the United States.

Which means? Yup not much of anything to conclude 1 data point in a myriad of data. Go back and find the link I posted to NASA. Check out the temps in North America vs the rest of the globe.

You're still stuck in your USA = World mantra. We're not the world right-wingers just act like we are.

 

[faethor]

Sense About Science

believe it or not I'm getting these links from my "friends" on Facebook.

Thanks! Some good reads. I've bookmarked it and will read the rest when I have more time.

A Survey in the US indicates that right-wing males make up the majority of the Denialist crowd. Interesting. (And related Republican impervious to reality)

 

[metalman]

Climate is a worldwide event. My temps were worldwide events. Your list was US. US != World.

If it is CO2 that causes global warming, I would expect that North America would be the region of the world in which the warming is MORE severely felt.
But it seems that North America is being LESS affected by long term warming...

What makes you predict this? Certainly there are no walls at 20K feet it's not like the CO2 just sits there.

How would CO2 get to 20k feet?
CO2 is heavier then the other components of air. Makes a poor greenhouse at ground level, and plants keep absorbing it.

October 2009 was the 3rd coldest October in 115 yrs of recorded history in the United States.

Which means? Yup not much of anything to conclude 1 data point in a myriad of data. Go back and find the link I posted to NASA. Check out the temps in North America vs the rest of the globe.

You're still stuck in your USA = World mantra. We're not the world right-wingers just act like we are.

Bet this December becomes one of coldest months in the US on record also ....

Clue: What part of the globe has had the largest warming anomaly for the 30 yrs?

Its the dark red part of the map ..... hint.... Siberia

Another domino falls in Climategate:
On Tuesday, the Moscow-based Institute of Economic Analysis (IEA) issued a report claiming that the Hadley Center for Climate Change based at the headquarters of the British Meteorological Office in Exeter (Devon, England) had probably tampered with Russian-climate data. IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more frequently than the correct data of remote stations. The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world's land mass. The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.

The IEA claims the full set of Russian data does NOT support global warming.

Whom are you going to believe?
The CRU whose emails depict many years of collusion and who hide their data or the IEA who claim the CRU has skewed their data?

These anomalies have been questioned for some time. It is hard to understand why Siberia was seemingly warming so much more relative to everywhere else.

 

[Robert]

A Survey in the US indicates that right-wing males make up the majority of the Denialist crowd. Interesting.

Interesting, you say?

The word I would use is "predictable".

 

[smithy]

Yes - that's how it's been reported but the key message has been greenwashed away! According to their data the 90s decade saw warming. The noughties decade saw no warming however. Their PR is technically true, but essentially misleading. The Met Office data shows no correlation with CO2 levels, which we know hasn't been stagnant for 10 years.

I'd have to check the UK Met Office but the generally accepted list of warmest 10 years since 1880 falls out as...
1) 1998
2) 2005
3) 2003
4) 2002
5) 2009 (Current estimated place)
6) 2004
7) 2006
8) 2007
9) 2001
10) 2008

Having 9 out of the top 10 warmest years in 00's means it's not the hottest?

Given that the rate of warming in the 00s reduced compared to the 90s then these numbers are entirely expected. Here's a chart from the Met Office showing the flat rate of change in the 00s compared to the 90s.

 

[faethor]

@Smithy.

Let me know if I'm undestanding your point correctly. I believe what you're saying is the net change in temperatures were larger in the 90s than in the 00s?

 

[faethor]

How would CO2 get to 20k feet?
CO2 is heavier then the other components of air. Makes a poor greenhouse at ground level, and plants keep absorbing it.

Clearly all the CO2 is not at the ground. CO2 makes up 4-5% of the air. Humans see effects of CO2 exposure at 1% and death around 2%. Go outside and lay on the ground. If you never post again we'll know you're right. If you do post again you clearly need some schooling in science to figure out why our atmospheres is not layers of different gases. :wink:

Clue: What part of the globe has had the largest warming anomaly for the 30 yrs?

Its the dark red part of the map ..... hint.... Siberia

Not sure what you're point is here. It appears you are saying since the Siberia (and actually the Arctic) has some of the largest warming therefore the planet isn't warming? Check out this TED presentation of glacier losses. There's been changes in the permafrost in Russia too.

The IEA claims the full set of Russian data does NOT support global warming.

Strange the post you had said it needed to be recalculated. Now you make a claim without a recalcuation, peer review or subsequent work? Bad logic here. How about, let's see what the results are, let the scientists do their job and figure this out?

What you of course didn't mention is the IEA has been tied to Russian Oil interests. So don't forget to remember the denialist side may have their own politica and business agenda's at work.

Whom are you going to believe?
The CRU whose emails depict many years of collusion and who hide their data or the IEA who claim the CRU has skewed their data?

Unfortunately your binary selection is flawed. CRU emails show no such thing.

 

[smithy]

@Smithy.

Let me know if I'm undestanding your point correctly. I believe what you're saying is the net change in temperatures were larger in the 90s than in the 00s?

Yes.

 

[metalman]

How would CO2 get to 20k feet?
CO2 is heavier then the other components of air. Makes a poor greenhouse at ground level, and plants keep absorbing it.

Clearly all the CO2 is not at the ground. CO2 makes up 4-5% of the air. Humans see effects of CO2 exposure at 1% and death around 2%. Go outside and lay on the ground. If you never post again we'll know you're right. If you do post again you clearly need some schooling in science to figure out why our atmospheres is not layers of different gases. :wink

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: FAIL

Dry air contains roughly (by volume) 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases. Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1%.

MW
H2 2
He 4
N2 14
CO 28
Air 29
O2 32
CO2 44

You just proved why a CO2 fire extinguisher will never work, why it is really unnecessary for building code to require your garage floor to be 2" lower than your living space floor, and alerted everyone that the CO2 in a can of soda could kill you. Better call 911 if you see dry ice floating in the punch bowl or find an unattended soda dispenser.

 

[faethor]

Dry air contains roughly (by volume) 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases. Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1%.

Thank you I do stand corrected. I had grabbed the % composition expelled from lungs from my brain instead. Bad me I should double check my facts and reindex the pointers in my brain.

Now your proof that all CO2 is at ground level please. You do realize there's science analyzing the CO2 in the upper atmosphere and CO2 cloud formations in the mesosphere?

It's okay to fail and learn. You can see I accepted mine. Can you?

 

[faethor]

@Smithy.

Let me know if I'm undestanding your point correctly. I believe what you're saying is the net change in temperatures were larger in the 90s than in the 00s?

Yes.

Thanks for confirming that.

 

[minator]

The arguments made by climate change sceptics

 

[Robert]

The arguments made by climate change sceptics

Excellent link, thanks.

 

[minator]

I don't know if you can get this outside the Uk but on BBC iPlayer they have a series called the climate wars, it's a very good series. It's by a scientist who initially didn't know about climate science but he learned about it.