Climate Change - Is the Tide Turning?
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cecilia said:
Irrelevant? So I wish!!!
Al Gore Wields More Influence Out of Government
The former vice president has more freedom to advance his agenda on climate change and other issues
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/ene ... nment.html
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Heard an interesting comparision today. Republicans have argued for the 1% Doctrine on Terrorism If there's a 1% chance that the US would be subject to a terrorist attack we must treat it as a certainity. The result is we must spare no expense, torture whomever whenever we want, and invade any nation.
While I agree this is a poor idea, Republicans fail to apply the same reasoning to climate change. There is a 1% chance that the population is changing the not just the US but the world's climate should we not treat it as a certainity?
While I agree this is a poor idea, Republicans fail to apply the same reasoning to climate change. There is a 1% chance that the population is changing the not just the US but the world's climate should we not treat it as a certainity?
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[/quote:rxy7y2mr]you crack me upredrumloa said:
yeah, how horrible, gore makes a movie and goes around the world talking. imagine that! whatever he says about Anything is just a jumping off point. people should then go off and investigate on their own and more importantly go see what people doing the research are saying.
frankly, his efforts to get people to look into this IS important, but they still have to do the bulk of the work themselves.
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I understand that people have issue that net the science discussed in the Gore film is only in the high 90% accuracy. Sure there may be some issues and certainly as we learn more in the coming decade the accuracy may decrease and might even deserve a 2nd revision.
There are bigger problems in the US schools science programs. One example is evolution. Many schools are still scared and skirt the direct discussion of the science. Many schools do not have a robotics program, this should be a requirement in science and math. Out of the 30 industrailized nations the US falls about in the mid-point.
We see the fall out of our educational system within our society today. People declare the need for more VISA workers so we can import the medical and scientific talent we are lacking. That is clearly the lazy and wrong answer. We have 300Million people in this country. Medical and scientific talent is some of the most highly paid. What are we doing wrong that we cannot educate our own nation? We should be building the critical thinking and skills for high tech position. Many call for the 3RS, sorry but this is well beyond Reading, wRiting and aRithmatic. The failure is within our own society.
I see the problem worsening as Federal, State, and Local governments are under some of the largest economic pressures ever. What the governments seem to be doing is stealing or delaying payments to educational institutions. (Thank you MN Republican Gov. Pawlenty.) We need to recommit to education for our nation's future.
Gore is the failure? I can only hope that was meant as a joke.
I understand that people have issue that net the science discussed in the Gore film is only in the high 90% accuracy. Sure there may be some issues and certainly as we learn more in the coming decade the accuracy may decrease and might even deserve a 2nd revision.
There are bigger problems in the US schools science programs. One example is evolution. Many schools are still scared and skirt the direct discussion of the science. Many schools do not have a robotics program, this should be a requirement in science and math. Out of the 30 industrailized nations the US falls about in the mid-point.
We see the fall out of our educational system within our society today. People declare the need for more VISA workers so we can import the medical and scientific talent we are lacking. That is clearly the lazy and wrong answer. We have 300Million people in this country. Medical and scientific talent is some of the most highly paid. What are we doing wrong that we cannot educate our own nation? We should be building the critical thinking and skills for high tech position. Many call for the 3RS, sorry but this is well beyond Reading, wRiting and aRithmatic. The failure is within our own society.
I see the problem worsening as Federal, State, and Local governments are under some of the largest economic pressures ever. What the governments seem to be doing is stealing or delaying payments to educational institutions. (Thank you MN Republican Gov. Pawlenty.) We need to recommit to education for our nation's future.
Gore is the failure? I can only hope that was meant as a joke.
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if I had a dime for every time i pointed out the educational system in the US I could retire in great wealth.
I see stupidity all the time. irrationality is rampant.
strangely enough I'm amazed at how many groups there are on FaceBook that try to address irrational thinking. honestly, it's great to see the concern and passion out there!
what those of us who are rational have to figure out is how do we get all this important work done despite the loons. we will never convince them. we have to work around them.
creationalists are certifiable. Frankly I think they are so far gone in their delusions it's a waste of time reasoning with them.
trying to appeal to people by pointing out that they are endangering the future of their children by not teaching them science - like evolution - falls on deaf ears. They don't care. they would rather embrace their ignorance than be good parents.
I see stupidity all the time. irrationality is rampant.
strangely enough I'm amazed at how many groups there are on FaceBook that try to address irrational thinking. honestly, it's great to see the concern and passion out there!
what those of us who are rational have to figure out is how do we get all this important work done despite the loons. we will never convince them. we have to work around them.
creationalists are certifiable. Frankly I think they are so far gone in their delusions it's a waste of time reasoning with them.
trying to appeal to people by pointing out that they are endangering the future of their children by not teaching them science - like evolution - falls on deaf ears. They don't care. they would rather embrace their ignorance than be good parents.
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Minnesota has one of the better educational systems. Though it's lost ground under Republican Governer Pawlenty. And he wants to run for President? One can only imagine what would happen if he did this nation wide. His latest idea -- take $1Billion back from K-12 but mostly the State's University system. 
And I agree there are those with irrational delusions which are simply unwilling to entertain the idea that there may be a more rational way to look at the world. Many are harmless. But, we do have our own Christian version of the Taliban in the US. These are the one's that try to push the ignorance is bliss agenda. If we don't talk about evilution or safe sex our kids will never figure it out. The anti-intelligence approach is strong with some. I don't recall this 'force' being as vocal in the past. In the last decade it seems that being less education is a virtue to some. Come on people we were founded out of the Age of Reason and Enlightenment where education is a good.
And I agree there are those with irrational delusions which are simply unwilling to entertain the idea that there may be a more rational way to look at the world. Many are harmless. But, we do have our own Christian version of the Taliban in the US. These are the one's that try to push the ignorance is bliss agenda. If we don't talk about evilution or safe sex our kids will never figure it out. The anti-intelligence approach is strong with some. I don't recall this 'force' being as vocal in the past. In the last decade it seems that being less education is a virtue to some. Come on people we were founded out of the Age of Reason and Enlightenment where education is a good.
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Isn't it Ironic how most Americans fear intellectuals? Republicans have even convinced their supporters that they're better off dumb. Pretty sad. But then, we're talking about the country that also invented country music. :roll:faethor said:
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"to present the science curriculum where it addresses scientific controversies" -- Seriously people this is the dawn of the 21st Century not the 19th. I suppose there's some gain in learning why the Lamarckian hypothesis was discarded. Though this clearly isn't the point of this legislation.cecilia said:
Personally the story of the scientific controversy of Germ Theory is a more interesting read.
Now I'm all for teaching 'Intelligent Design'. Educating kids about different religions is acceptable. Indoctrination is illegal. There should be a class teaching the differences between the Intelligent Creation as carried out by the Apaches, Aboriginaies, Brahma, and the Demiurge. And of course the latest Intelligent Design Theory -- The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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I've said many many times that religion should be taught in religion class and science taught in science class. what IS the big deal?faethor said:
those of us with at least 2 brain cells firing know that the wacko ID nuts want that science mojo that religion just doesn't have.
too bad so sad
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You Southerners stole our cold!!!
We demand the return of our pack ice.
We need the ice so the seals can have their pups so we can go out and club them!!!
We demand the return of our pack ice.
We need the ice so the seals can have their pups so we can go out and club them!!!
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Jan 2010 was colder many places in the USA. Not every place for the West Coast was fairly warm. The USA is about 1.5% of all the land in the world. (We just like to think we're a bigger part.) Worldwide Jan 2010 was the 2nd coldest measured in the last 130 years.
Phil Jones, of climategate email fame was hauled in front of MPs to account for himself. The Register has a good writeup.
So much for the rock solid peer review that everyone cites as proof that this stuff isn't junk science.
So much for the rock solid peer review that everyone cites as proof that this stuff isn't junk science.
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