Climate Change - Is the Tide Turning?

The committee said much of the data that critics claimed Prof Jones had hidden, was in fact already publicly available.
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and the people who love conspiracies will never scream the truth as loudly as they screamed the lies.
 
redrumloa said:
Robert said:
Indeed.
Despite all this fuss, has anyone actually found any evidence of deliberate lying in a published paper?

If so, I've yet to see it.
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You haven't been looking very hard now have you? Destroyed data, fudging numbers into a complete fantasy not good enough?
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After today's report, this is even more relevant.

@Jim:

You were so convinced that this professor had deliberately lied in a published paper. On asking you to provide evidence of lying you resorted to ridicule, so convinced were you that this unsubstantiated lying had occurred.

Today we have the verdict that there is no evidence of this whatsoever, just like it seemed to me at the time.


A rather obvious lesson in there somewhere, if you care to learn it.....
 
In Minnesota we've seen high 70s and 80s are predicted. The State of MN is starting to spray for mosquitoes. This is 3 weeks ahead of average. Seems our warmer than average spring is evidenced in other events such as bugs coming out a month ahead of schedule.
 
Minnesota update from the news/weather this morning.

March was a near record warmth for us with 8 degrees warmer than average. April is stacking up to be the warmest ever with 12 degrees warmer than average so far. Spring is 3 weeks ahead of schedule.

For a bit more extreme. Duluth is 44 degrees on average at this time of year. They've been above 62 every day. So 18+ degrees warmer.


UPDATE: News had NOAA's March numbers for the world it was the 4th hottest March on record.
 
redrumloa said:
Robert said:
Indeed.
Despite all this fuss, has anyone actually found any evidence of deliberate lying in a published paper?

If so, I've yet to see it.
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You haven't been looking very hard now have you? Destroyed data, fudging numbers into a complete fantasy not good enough?
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Never did get an answer to this and now we know why:

CRU climate scientists 'did not withold data'

The Independent Climate Change Email Review was set up by the University of East Anglia (UEA) after more than 1,000 e-mails were hacked from its servers.

Climate "sceptics" claimed the e-mails showed that UEA scientists manipulated and suppressed key climate data.

But these accusations are largely dismissed by the report.
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So, there we have it. Here on this thread we have come full circle.
 
@Robert,

And recently Michael Mann was cleared, unanimously I might add, of any accused scientific wrong doings.

Though I realistically don't expect that will sway the Anti-GWers. They'll simply cry conspiracy.
 
Robert said:
And look more and more foolish as time goes by....
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More Polar bear-gate: Wife was peer reviewer

From Human Events:

In particular, investigators are asking questions about the peer review work on Monnett’s drowned polar bear paper, which was done by his wife, Lisa Rotterman, as well as Andrew Derocher, the lead researcher on the Canadian study under review by the inspector general’s office…​
With investigators suggesting his research is collapsing, Monnett was defensive in the interview, and asked for the inspectors’ credentials to question his work or second-guess his calculations.​
For example, there was some confusion as to whether it was three or four dead bears used in the calculation to determine the ratio of survival, and whether Monnett assumed that four swimming bears seen the week earlier were the same polar bears recorded as dead in the next survey. The statistic in question was the percentage of bears likely to survive when swimming in a storm—Monnett estimated it to be around 25%, whereas investigators put the number at more than 57%.​
“Is there a potential we made a mistake, and the peer reviewers didn’t catch it? Possibly,” Gleason said.​

So what part of climate alarmism isn’t scam-like?
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redrumloa said:
Anyone with an ounce of common sense knew this was a fraud all along, thus why Global Warming became Climate Change.

Oh wait.. Even here we were called "flat earthers" for suggesting global warming was bullspit. Lefties are soooo gullible and we will still likely see brutally oppressive legislation based on a massive hoax.

Yes I will gloat as this all plays out :banana:
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You are a flat Eather. You live in Florida!
 
So what part of climate alarmism isn’t scam-like?
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US breaks 9,000+ heat records in July 2011. In 2011 the Arctic Sea Ice has reached the lowest July level since satelitte measures began in 1979.
 
faethor said:
US breaks 9,000+ heat records in July 2011. In 2011 the Arctic Sea Ice has reached the lowest July level since satelitte measures began in 1979.
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Heat records that go how far back? 1979 is not a long term benchmark for sea ice either. BTW that whole nonsense of global warming causing more hurricanes and more severe hurricanes is looking pretty laughable right about now.
 
Dammy said:
Yet we have yet to return to medieval temps, we are still recovering from the Little Ice Age (LIA) by an average of 1C-~1.5C each century.
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Whyzzat lefties believe that the LIA never happened nor did the Medieval Warm Period.
 
redrumloa said:
Heat records that go how far back? 1979 is not a long term benchmark for sea ice either. BTW that whole nonsense of global warming causing more hurricanes and more severe hurricanes is looking pretty laughable right about now.
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Direct measurement of temps in Minnesota go as far back to our European descents founding around 1819. Indirect measurements based on tree rings, ice cores, and fossil record go back centuries farther. And certainly 1979 is not long but as stated it is the records established by satellite records. Fairly hard to have a satellite record w/o satellites. I know it's a nitpicky but fairly important.

So if you want something past 1979 how about the artic opening up for transport and oil exploration. This appears to be the first time since the new world was discovered. http://www.npr.org/2011/08/15/139556207/arctic-warming-unlocking-a-fabled-waterway?sc=fb&cc=fp‏
 
redrumloa said:
BTW that whole nonsense of global warming causing more hurricanes and more severe hurricanes is looking pretty laughable right about now.
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2011 NOAA prediction was 12-18 named storms, 6-10 hurricanes. UK Met Office was 13 named storms, they don't do hurricane predictions. Average storms is 9.6, hurricane average is 5.9. I see the predictions at slightly higher than normal levels.

Now to be clear we're talking about the period of 6/1-11/30. To date there have been 8 storms. But plenty of time as we're only 1/2 way through the period. The final count comes in Dec.
 
faethor said:
2011 NOAA prediction was 12-18 named storms, 6-10 hurricanes. UK Met Office was 13 named storms, they don't do hurricane predictions. Average storms is 9.6, hurricane average is 5.9. I see the predictions at slightly higher than normal levels.

Now to be clear we're talking about the period of 6/1-11/30. To date there have been 8 storms. But plenty of time as we're only 1/2 way through the period. The final count comes in Dec.
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Not one hurricane to date. :knock on wood:

Just remember the hysteria a couple years back. What will the nut bags say if we go a year without a single hurricane? Hurricane season strengths go in cycles and modern detection only goes back a few decades.
 
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