GAO: Recoverable Oil in Colorado, Utah, Wyoming 'About Equal to Entire World’s Proven Oil Reserves'

@metalman

Not my fault if you can't follow your own argument. So, what's more important - believing that the beatitudes are a good moral standard or believing that a sky spirit in human form said them? Are you saying that the sky spirit is irrelevant or the beatitudes are irrelevant despite the fact that you explicitly tied them together.

Either way, the belief in a sky spirit are as delusional as the belief that you have that other people believe in "a man god riding a magic unicorn shitting skittles". When you say that people believe something that no-one actually believes you are either a liar or you got it from someone else and you are a gullible fool or you are using a version of lying such as comedic exaggeration - but if it's that last one then you commit the sin of failing to be funny.
 
metalman said:
Fake you say!? LOL
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It's conceivable. It may also be that the opportunity of having someone faint is used to showcase "compassion". Of course, people faint especially in crowds. It's just that among the republicans it's usually the men fainting.
Surely the "reality based" are not that easily fooled!
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Good, good. Keep characterizing "reality based" as the side that is opposite to the side you are on.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
the belief in a sky spirit are as delusional as the belief that you have that other people believe in "a man god riding a magic unicorn shitting skittles"..
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You're the one who can't follow an argument

What is Irrelivant is that you don't believe in the "magical sky spirit"

whether Jesus lived or is a complete fabrication, what is important is what believers believe, and are taught, and the central moral lesson of the Christian faith is the "Sermon on the Mount" and the moral rules they follow as believers.

The world is a much better place with believers who are following the "Sermon on the Mount" as their guide to salvation then a world of delusional "reality based" progressives looking for the next "Socialist Messiah riding a magic unicorn shitting skittles" to lead them FORWARD!, SPRING FORWARD!, or a GREAT LEAP FORWARD! to the great mythical socialist paradise.

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I said that people who believe in a magical sky spirit can't be called realists.

You said that the world is better off with people believing in the magical sky spirit who's central teaching is the "Sermon on the Mount".

Besides the fact that the sky spirits "central teaching" may or may not be the "Sermon on the Mount", I said that the sermon on the mount was a human work and that it is possible to hold the "spirit" of the sermon without believing in the magical sky spirit.

You said that was irrelevant and it was the message that was important.

Strangely that is along the lines of what I had just said - that the believing in the sky spirit part was irrelevant as it was the message that was important.

Then you said that it was irrelevant that I didn't believe in the sky spirit which is something that I didn't actually say in the dialogue but it is true that I don't and it is true that it is irrelevant which is also in line with what I was saying.

Now, however, we come to the point where you contend that it is precisely because they believe in the sky spirit that they "are taught, and the central moral lesson of the Christian faith is the "Sermon on the Mount"", making it apparent that belief in the sky spirit is in fact very important with respect to the message. Mind you, there are many in the US that contend that the ten commandments are actually the central tenets.

Now, this part I take issue with:
The world is a much better place with believers who are following the "Sermon on the Mount" as their guide...
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I'd like you to explain that with reference to the text. How does "blessed are the..." whomsoever turn into any actionable ideal? As written it simply implies that these various people should simply put up with their lot since sky spirit magic will make it up to them after they die. However, if you actually act as a society to bless those people you are red flag waving socialist. Why is it better to leave people in suffering to depend on sky spirits postmortem largess rather than to help them out while they live?

And then you throw in this again : "Socialist Messiah riding a magic unicorn shitting skittles".
Is there a special blessing that sky spirit reserves for unrepentant liars?
 
i read it too... doesn't go in depth enuff; truthfully... humans are funny critters... humans in a herd even more so... throw in a ton of money and you better not have 'em in a round pen...
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Finally got around to reading that. Fantastic scoop. Always nice to see the "grass roots" exposed for what they are.
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yeah, I like to throw in the occassional reality based idea once in a while

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First of all, recoverable oil in one place being greater than the worlds proven reserves is a bit of a nonsense phrase. Several places in the world have more recoverable oil than the worlds proven reserves but here is a comparison between two very different oils.

One kind of oil comes easily out of the ground for a buck to a few bucks a barrel. It is a high energy density resource that can be extracted at a high rate. Those together means that oil produces prodigious power - that is the amount of energy you get per unit time. Now look at the energy density of oil shales and then check how slow it produces. Oil shale has oil in it but it is not an equal nor even a substitute for conventional oil.

For most of the time that oil has been produced it sat around 20 to 30 dollars a barrel and had a production cost of about a buck. That's a 30 to 1 ratio on the high end. Oil sands in Canada cost about 20 bucks a while back but improvements have brought that down to about 10 now, I believe. With oil at $100 a barrel that's a mere 10:1 ratio.

When oil reaches $500 a barrel I'm sure we'll still be sucking oil out of something but it won't be the buck a barrel oil that built the world economy. And it won't be coming at the rate that we need it to supply our power demands.

The economists like to talk about prices and markets and things like that but they don't know physics and physics isn't going to change it's spots just to help them.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Either way, the belief in a sky spirit are as delusional as the belief that you have that other people believe in "a man god riding a magic unicorn shitting skittles". When you say that people believe something that no-one actually believes you are either a liar or you got it from someone else and you are a gullible fool or you are using a version of lying such as comedic exaggeration - but if it's that last one then you commit the sin of failing to be funny.
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With regard to the last option and in Metalman's defence (not that he needs me to defend him), I actually found that phrase quite funny.
Especially the skittles part.
Then again, "skittles" sounds a bit like "skitters" and I'm easily amused.
 
Robert said:
With regard to the last option and in Metalman's defense (not that he needs me to defend him), I actually found that phrase quite funny.
Especially the skittles part.
Then again, "skittles" sounds a bit like "skitters" and I'm easily amused.
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Just like the Bible the message is told as an allegory
 
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I think I like that as much as the FSM.
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Robert said:
:lol:

I think I like that as much as the FSM.
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Pastafarianism
Hail his Noodlely appendage!

But nonbelievers are overreaching when they dismiss the phenomenon of religion as wrong and useless because it so often lacks a basis in evidence. The fact that millions of people get something positive out of a religion – even if it is based in superstition – *does* mean something. But that’s not to say it’s True, only that it has Value. For many people, religion is about being part of a community and being part of something bigger and more important than themselves.

Nonbelievers would be better off criticizing only on the negative, damaging parts of religion, and being less judgmental about the idea of religion in general. Nonbelievers get hung up asking for evidence when really we should be looking at why does religion thrive despite evidence? We should be pushing the idea that faith is not equivalent to evidence-based-reasoning without insisting that it’s inferior, only that they are different ways of seeing the world.
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I hope your doing your part as a true believer in FSM and become a pirate to stop global warming
 
metalman said:
I hope your doing your part as a true believer in FSM and become a pirate to stop global warming
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Robert said:
Arrr!
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Just as I read that, I felt a cold breeze on the back of my neck, and then I knew it was your faith in the great FSM that was the cause and your noble act and sacrifice at becoming a pirate that was the cause. Now an unbeliever might say it was just the air conditioner turning on, but I believe even if it was actually the air conditioner turning on, it was through the divine help of the great and all powerful FSM turning on the air conditioner with his Noodly Appendage.

So in honor of the FSM
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Now shopping for a coat,
just in case too many people become pirates, then hell will freeze over
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/10/us-oil-sands-idUSBRE8490OL20120510

in 2009 the Commission published findings that tar sands might have a greenhouse gas intensity around one-fifth higher than conventional crude.

Nearly all the massive reserves of oil concentrated in the northern part of Canada's Alberta province - home to the world's third largest proven reserves of crude after Saudi Arabia and Venezuela - are in the form of tar sands.

The clay-like sands have to be dug up in open-pit mines with massive shovels, or blasted with steam and pumped to the surface, before oil can be extracted. The process means the oil costs more to produce than regular crude, uses more water and energy, and emits more carbon.
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