George Zimmerman found not guilty

I think the recent statements of B37 (if I remember the # ) are correct. In short Zimmerman instigated the event and should have stayed in the car. But, being an idiot isn't a crime. Had Zimmerman been an adult and not stalked a kid, it's likely he would have never been jumped as Martin wouldn't have felt threatened. It appears even though the jury thinks there was inadequate evidence to be confident it was Zimmerman's fault even though they consider Zimmerman as initiator of the events.
 
Something worth watching for all you Defenders of Saint Trayvon.

 
Wayne said:
Something worth watching for all you Defenders of Saint Trayvon.
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I only watched it because I thought it might surprise me in the end by not being what it appeared to be - but it was. Emotional pleading and irrelevancies. It is hard to argue that it was wrong for others to use those techniques by using the same techniques.

A man can still be murdered without being a saint.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
I only watched it because I thought it might surprise me in the end by not being what it appeared to be - but it was. Emotional pleading and irrelevancies. It is hard to argue that it was wrong for others to use those techniques by using the same techniques.

A man can still be murdered without being a saint.
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Wow... hahahaha.... ok. I guess the facts and truth don't matter then. Sorry for disturbing your sense of injustice with the evidence that Saint Trayvon was high as {bleep} when he attacked Zimmerman...
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
I only watched it because I thought it might surprise me in the end by not being what it appeared to be - but it was. Emotional pleading and irrelevancies..
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you must be confusing this video with the prosecutions closing arguments
 
Robert said:
This all sounds a little bit like, "guy was high, so deserved to die".
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Right! Just because he was shown to be high on a substance that is prone to induce paranoia and violent outburst is irrelevant! Zimmerman is half white so it must have been murder!
 
Robert said:
This all sounds a little bit like, "guy was high, so deserved to die".
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Not at all, but it very well could explain the violent behavior on Saint Trayvon's part. Remember, we weren't there. We cannot say what happened between point A and bang and that video does show that Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked.

The only reason Zimmerman faced any trial at all is because we have a shitty president who decided to be black that day leading a racist administration...

Obama is black, not a "white colored person" (not sure what the current PC is), just like Zimmerman is Hispanic, not a "white Hispanic" as the racially devisive media kept trying to portray him...

The media and the administration, including Obama and his lap dog Holder are intent on making this a racial hate crime when everyone, including the FB-{bleep}-I has nothing but evidence to disprove that idea...

Media fail. President fail.
 
Wayne said:
Not at all, but it very well could explain the violent behavior on Saint Trayvon's part. Remember, we weren't there. We cannot say what happened between point A and bang and that video does show that Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked.

The only reason Zimmerman faced any trial at all is because we have a shitty president who decided to be black that day leading a racist administration...

Obama is black, not a "white colored person" (not sure what the current PC is), just like Zimmerman is Hispanic, not a "white Hispanic" as the racially devisive media kept trying to portray him...

The media and the administration, including Obama and his lap dog Holder are intent on making this a racial hate crime when everyone, including the FB-{bleep}-I has nothing but evidence to disprove that idea...

Media fail. President fail.
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We've had many posts here from liberal and conservatives about the corruption of the police. I think killing another person is especially heinous. As such we shouldn't give the police the right to decide to not bring a killing to court. Instead every killing should go to court. If the police are so corrupt allowing them to make this call would enable them to enforce their own agenda. They could make a list under the table of 'forgiveable' murders on a certain set of people. If any killing goes to court then the role and ability of the police to make such a list is diminished greatly.

Certainly we've seen police arrest for fixing crimes for the mob. It appears that some cops even did mob hits, but avoided a trial. If killing is so bad and police are so corrupt then disassociating the ability for police to decide which killing to try as illegal makes some good sense. It takes away some of the police powers.

All killings go trial also eliminates your fear of popular press and racists presidents coming into play. They couldn't force a trial by popular opinion, trials happen no matter what.
 
Wayne said:
Obama is black, not a "white colored person" (not sure what the current PC is), just like Zimmerman is Hispanic, not a "white Hispanic" as the racially devisive media kept trying to portray him...
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Actually the media mostly is not calling Zimmerman Hispanic at all, just calling him a "29 year old white male".
 
redrumloa said:
Actually the media mostly is not calling Zimmerman Hispanic at all, just calling him a "29 year old white male".
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Being we've seen various news outlets being brought to task for calling Zimmerman a 'white hispanic'. I don't know if I'd characterize a 'white only' media presentation. Clearly there are people that don't like various media outlets using that formulation of a multi-racial term. What race Zimmerman is and how that's treated by the press has had almost as much discussion on the internets as the trial itself.

I don't think I've yet to see an accounting of the approach of all different media outlets. So any claim here really is gut reaction. This 'media only says white' approach may speak as much to what one's diet of media is than to the media as a whole.

MN has a far smaller Latino community than Florida. I wonder if perhaps MN media were more accurate by using the Hispanic term more frequently then the FL one's have been? I even heard many reports when race wasn't brought up at all. On those occasions when someone is assuming a race it says more about the assumer than the media. Being Robert Zimmerman (aka Bob Dylan) is from MN perhaps the news felt the need to cite Latino or Hispanic to ensure people didn't get confused and think he was a cousin from the Iron Range or something?
 
Wayne said:
Wow... hahahaha.... ok. I guess the facts and truth don't matter then. Sorry for disturbing your sense of injustice with the evidence that Saint Trayvon was high as {bleep} when he attacked Zimmerman...
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The evidence for Trayvon being high as {bleep} would come from toxicology. Assuming that he was high at the time because he had a history of getting high is like assuming that someone is currently naked because they have been naked in the past or any other countless similar examples one could make up.

Facts and truth matter but the fact that the earth is an oblate spheroid and not a true sphere has very little baring on how many spots the sun's surface is showing today. Some "facts" are not relevant. If Trayvon stole stuff in the past it is not relevant to Zimmerman's decision to follow Trayvon because Trayvon was not doing that at the time and Zimmerman had no way of knowing whether or not he ever had done.

When you made your case based on the facts of the law I did not react this way. YOU are the one who is setting up the strawman of "Saint" Trayvon, not a position I have taken nor anyone else I personally know of. The video you posted was emotional irrelevant innuendo and smearing of a person no longer around to defend themselves and while that, in itself, is merely obnoxious and irresponsible in the same way the presenter complains reportage about Zimmerman was, it is also almost entirely irrelevant to the case.

It is like the defence of "she was asking for it" and "she has a history of slutty sex" and "she was drunk" in rape cases. This is more about the emotional battle of rumour mongering and excuse making. The idea is that it was OK to kill Trayvon despite whatever laws there are because Trayvon was a bad man. It's OK to drone kids in Pakistan too because they made the mistake of living in Taliban controlled villages. Perpetrators often attack their victims to excuse their own crime. No murderer ever killed anyone who didn't "deserve" it.
 
redrumloa said:
Right! Just because he was shown to be high on a substance that is prone to induce paranoia and violent outburst is irrelevant! Zimmerman is half white so it must have been murder!
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He was not shown to be high at the time. If you are referring to the "facts" that you got from this video you might want to go back and watch it. There was innuendo that he "could" have been high on cough syrup based on the fact that he had used the stuff before. The video didn't say that it was established that he was high on cough syrup but that's the impression you got (as was intended).

Toxicology said that he had low levels of THC in his system consistent with having smoked marijuana a few hours before or much prior to that if he was a frequent user, however, weed is not noted for aggression.

Go back and watch that video again and see what weasel words and psych tricks it's filled with and remember how easily you fall for them. This is a post hoc justify George, demonize Trayvon, excuse the killing video and is as much a part of the race baiting as anything the president has done.
 
redrumloa said:
Actually the media mostly is not calling Zimmerman Hispanic at all, just calling him a "29 year old white male".
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Because "Jewish Hispanic Octoroon" would be offensive to Jews, Hispanics and Blacks. :)
The unfortunate thing is that he is "white enough" to make it news - and the news is what made it possible for him to raise enough support to put on a good defence. Otherwise it's "spic kills nigger": who cares. So race doesn't matter in America?
 
@Fluffy
You got me all wrong. I'm in touch with my progressive side and now understand the true nature of Trayvon. Trayvon Martin is the modern day Jesus Christ who died for our sins.

The Rev. Al Sharpton compared Trayvon Martin’s to Jesus Christ’s crucifixion at a meeting of the National Action Network in Washington, D.C., CNS News reports.
“We believe in Jesus, they crucified him and never had a charge,” the Rev. Sharpton told a gathering of his National Action Network in Washington, D.C., on Thursday. “They never charged, there wasn’t no crime on his indictment. So we’ve got to deal with the inequities of the criminal justice system. The fact that we (black people) are overly-incarcerated, the fact that we go to court and are treated differently, and the fact that when we’re victimized there is not the same response. That’s what Trayvon was about.”​
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Whyzzat is full of racist godless honkies! Repent you evil sinners and bow to the new Jesus!
 
redrumloa said:
Actually the media mostly is not calling Zimmerman Hispanic at all, just calling him a "29 year old white male".
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Well, they're also not calling Treyvon a saint either nor is his sainthood relevant. Those who defend Zimmerman seem to hinge their defense on Treyvon's past, yet completely ignore Zimmerman's past which includes charges of assaulting a police officer. I'm willing to bet a huge chunk of cash that if Treyvon ever assaulted a cop or was ever charged/arrested for something as petty as J walking FOX News would be foaming at the mouth repeating it to the point of pure lunacy - but not a peep out of anyone about Zimmerman's past. Whyzzat?
 
Wayne said:
Something worth watching for all you Defenders of Saint Trayvon.
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After reading Fluffy's comments I decided to watch the piece. With your comments above I though it would be one sided. Unfortunately, I wasn't disappointed. The video talks LOTS about Martin's life before the incident and Zimmerman's a bit before the incident. The presenter calls out a lack of Journalism. But, IMO he failed his own test. As he reported the bad about Martin and didn't present Zimmerman's 3 closed arrests and run in with the law himself. He didn't report Zimmerman's assaults of a police officer and a woman. In his Journalism he calls out Martin a few days away from his 18th birthday. Martin was born on 2/5 and killed on 2/26. I don't consider 344 days a few. I wanted to give some major and minor flaws example. I could go on as unfortunately, this own self proclaimed good journalism piece was as bad as any of the other bad pieces cited by this 'journalist'.

Also, I've yet to see anyone claim that Martin is any sort of 'Saint'. In fact I've said it before there's no excuse for a kid kicking an adult's ass. Certainly BOTH parties could have made better choices and no one would be dead.
 
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