George Zimmerman found not guilty

FluffyMcDeath said:
i.e if he had behaved appropriately none of this would have happened. Zimmerman put himself in that position, he had a choice to make, do the right thing or do the wrong thing and he chose.
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I agree with this, and if they had gone for Manslaughter or Negligent Homicide, they would have gotten a victory based on that. Could it have been avoided? Yes. Did it have to happen? No. Did it? Yes... Manslaughter.

The simplest answer is that both Zimmerman and Martin were at fault here, and WE will never be able to assign percentages of who did what. We weren't there and only have one side and a few third-party (also slanted) here-says..

However, the State didn't go for Manslaughter or even Negligent Homicide. They completely ante'd up for Murder in the Second Degree, which carries an incredibly higher burden of proof that -- at the time the shot was fired -- Zimmerman could have otherwise disengaged from the active assailant and was in fear of his life.

The Defense proved he feared for his life at the time of the decision to fire the weapon. The State could not prove the negative, which is to say "he didn't fear for his life"...

George Zimmerman directly initiated the sequence of events that resulted in the death of Trayvon Martin.
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We... You and I and everyone else here.... Will never know that for certain. All we can do is (apparently) slant things from our own perspective and the "facts" that we choose to illuminate...

Righteous Act? Absolutely not. Both Zimmerman and Martin were at fault as -- at any time -- EITHER OF THEM could and probably should have walked away.

Legal shoot? Absolutely. Regardless of whatever else happened, you had two men (Martin bigger than Zimmerman) on the ground, one getting his ass kicked, and afraid that he was about to lose control of his weapon... {BANG}

I could not say I would have ever gotten into that situation. I'd like to think that I'm smarter than that and could think of worst-case scenarios to walk away or otherwise disengage. However, if I ever found myself in that situation (at the point I was having my head bashed in and afraid of losing control of my weapon), I absolutely would have ZERO hesitation in choosing my life over that of my assailant.

Everything else is irrelevant.
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Everything else is NOT irrelevant, it just depends on the point you're trying to make. Seems that between the 10 or so of us, we're actively "arguing" 5 different cases.

My "case" here is simply the legality of the reason at the moment before the gun was fired. Yours seems to be hinged on the fact that you feel Zimmerman was some raging lunatic...

I think we're all right to some extent, and all wrong to some extent, but as I said, we're all talking about different things here, and on completely different wavelengths.

Wayne
 
@Wayne:

Pretty balanced post, sir. I don't agree with *all* of it but it'd probably be nitpicking to point out the relevant parts.
 
Here's a question, what if his head wasn't bashed in the ground? Would it still be justified?

I personally have serious doubts about the severity of his injuries. If his head was bashed into concrete he'd have a concussion and probably would have lost consciousness. Hitting the back of your head even with little force can cause severe and probably permanent damage that we see no real evidence of here. There's a reason why cyclists and hockey players wear helmets and even with all that protection MRIs prove that they still suffer serious permanent damage with even "clean" hits. With that, I have a hard time believing that Zimmerman had the back of his head bashed into the concrete within inches of his life and has suffered no permanent damage - which I'm sure the defense would have provided via MRI scan if there was any. Heck, all he had were a few scrapes, I had worse from hockey. Give me a break!
 
Glaucus said:
Here's a question, what if his head wasn't bashed in the ground? Would it still be justified?

I personally have serious doubts about the severity of his injuries. If his head was bashed into concrete he'd have a concussion and probably would have lost consciousness. Hitting the back of your head even with little force can cause severe and probably permanent damage that we see no real evidence of here. There's a reason why cyclists and hockey players wear helmets and even with all that protection MRIs prove that they still suffer serious permanent damage with even "clean" hits. With that, I have a hard time believing that Zimmerman had the back of his head bashed into the concrete within inches of his life and has suffered no permanent damage - which I'm sure the defense would have provided via MRI scan if there was any. Heck, all he had were a few scrapes, I had worse from hockey. Give me a break!
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Luckily for Zimmerman you were not the pathologist at the trial who testified the injuries were consistent with Zimmerman's story.
 
Glaucus said:
Lucky for the cop he assaulted that Zimmerman wasn't packing back then. Although I'm pretty certain if he stood his ground against a cop he'd be on death row right now (or just shot dead, one of the two).
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Unless he lived in Indiana. I actually like this law. Too much police immunity and too much police firepower has lead to a reduction in policing and an increase in bullying. Police need to become vulnerable again and relearn diplomacy and discretion.
 
Wayne said:
My "case" here is simply the legality of the reason at the moment before the gun was fired. Yours seems to be hinged on the fact that you feel Zimmerman was some raging lunatic...
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Not raging lunatic, but responsible - and I agree that the wrong charge was brought but since they threw the lesser charges in later in the game it means he now can't be tried on the lesser charges either. It is obviously hard to prove that he was out to kill a black guy on the day but he was behaving in a reckless way that increased the likelihood of someone getting shot.

I disagree with the prosecution tactics and the lesser charges should have been there from day one. I also disagree with US sentencing in general in that the terms are too long. 10 years is enough for anything - if a person has innate qualities that make them permanently dangerous then jail is not the right place for them.

If I had my druthers he'd have been charged with being a reckless dumbass and he'd have 24 months to think about it and as a warning to other dumbasses. Now that the case has played out the way it has there is a formula for anyone who actually DOES want to go hunting.
 
redrumloa said:
If Trayvon would have survived the gunshot, he would have been tried as an adult for the assault.
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actually your guy would prolly be in the can right now gettin beat with a sock filled with soap and f245ed in the ass, or soon to be... but that didnt happen... and for that; jorge is lucky... but i can tell you two things i know for sure... this will start the errosion of your actual right to kill when necessary and loss of gun rights in general(and shame on all of you for defending him), and two, jorges cup of good luck has just run out... and remember all u pro zimmies out there, don't never forget, HE tipped his glass... that's on him... ;)
 
robert l. bentham said:
actually your guy would prolly be in the can right now gettin beat with a sock filled with soap and f245ed in the ass, or soon to be... but that didnt happen... and for that; jorge is lucky... but i can tell you two things i know for sure... this will start the errosion of your actual right to kill when necessary and loss of gun rights in general(and shame on all of you for defending him), and two, jorges cup of good luck has just run out... and remember all u pro zimmies out there, don't never forget, HE tipped his glass... that's on him... ;)
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You hitting the box wine again RlB? :confused:
 
redrumloa said:
You hitting the box wine again RlB? :confused:
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yeah... thats my problem... i drink too much boxed wine... you friggin dolt... do you not see what this ass clown just did with your rights? he abused them. and now we will all pay the price. if you own a gun... shoot yourself in the foot... cause the bulk of america sees this for what it is, fawking murder!!! and the bulk of america is who decides whats right as ur out of control governments seize ur rights. they will point to this ass hat and say see?! look what he did with his responsibility. no one can be trusted. our rights will go. and not because of a democrat over reaching in some malicious gun grab, but rather because some "honest" republican guy put himself into a situation he could no longer handle and like a friggin pussy he pulled a gun. and everyone knows it. thats why you and wayne are quibbling over the instant that boo hoo "poor george felt threatened" after he initiated conflict. follow me in ur suv... bring ur gun bitch... youd expect to get swung on and so would i... what about the initial instigator laws never mentioned?... george would be in the can right now... red you are backing a fawkin turd and you know it... take yes for an answer... you win... george is a pussy who needed to solve his problems with a teenager using a gun...6 jurors just said so... they also said it was ok... i had four teenagers.. none required a gun for discipline...
 
robert l. bentham said:
and not because of a democrat over reaching in some malicious gun grab, but rather because some "honest" republican guy put himself into a situation he could no longer handle and like a friggin pussy he pulled a gun. and everyone knows it.
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Zimmerman is a registered democrat.

You really should think for yourself, some of your posts are painful to read in more than one way.
 
redrumloa said:
Zimmerman is a registered democrat.

You really should think for yourself, some of your posts are painful to read in more than one way.
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im a registered republican so i can vote in the sham primaries for the least repulsive republican candidate... means nothing...sell that bs to your sister... hard to read mostly cause im telling you the truth... your whole moral code got clowned by a turd... prolly sux as bad as finding out you got duped by ur government i'd imagine...
 
redrumloa said:
I guess you didn't raise Trayvon, as his own farther texted about him buying and selling guns. Get that mental image of Trayvon being a saint out of your mind.
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my son bought and sold guns too... its pretty much legal here and i remember him trading a gun at 15 to another feller... also legal, technically... and thats what this is red technically at the point of shooting, pussyman was in fear for his life, and he prolly shoulda been, real men dont start shit they cant finish, but if you go a mountain climbing, and you fall... it isnt really the mountains fault... grow up...
 
red of all the zimmy fans you will be the last holdout... we will pry, your defense of him, from your cold dead hand... :banana: and that makes me sad..:(
 
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