Global warming alert for Fort Lauderdale, FL!!!

[redrumloa]

Red, you had frost formation, not freezing

Can Frost Form When Temperature Is Above Freezing?

Actually there was a hard film of ice on the windshield. The picture showed after it had been scrapped off. Unless I misunderstand the definition of frost, this was ice.

 

[redrumloa]

Extended cold could kill Florida iguanas!!

That would be a very, very good thing! Iguanas are not native and are terribly destructive. It would be a godsend!

 

[redrumloa]

So I know you guys are getting a kick out of all this weird weather in Florida, but you can't use it to form an argument about global weather trends as Florida isn't a good indicator.

Yes and no, Mike. The "scientist" and politicians do the exact same thing when it fits their agenda, when it doesn't they use your argument. Don't you remember what was said after the 2004-2005 hurricane seasons? I do, I lived through the 8 hurricanes that made landfall in Florida those 2 years. This was used as the slam dunk answer to prove global warming. Al Gore even put a picture of a hurricane for his movie. In 2007-(early)2008 we had a slightly atypical dry spell and it was used as proof of global warming.

We have not had a hurricane hit Florida in the last 5 years, with total activity falling off a cliff despite being 100% contrary to predictions. You don't hear scientists backing off their claims or using this as an example of global cooling.

Terrential rains far higher than average returned for (late)2008-2009, getting into record breaking territory yet these jackasses still claim we are in a historic drought due to Global Warming.

 

[metalman]

Red, you had frost formation, not freezing

Can Frost Form When Temperature Is Above Freezing?

Actually there was a hard film of ice on the windshield. The picture showed after it had been scrapped off. Unless I misunderstand the definition of frost, this was ice.

looked like frost from windshield wiper scraping, hard to distinguish ice on glass

Ice would form if moisture condensed at the dew point on the windshield, then froze due to the temperature inside the car dropping below 32 deg due to radiant heat loss, after the condensation fomed, even if the air temperature is slightly higher.

The moisture content of the outside air determines which forms, ice or frost

This demonstrates the big problem with the global warming greenhouse theory :wink:
The heat trapped during the day is quickly radiated back out through the glass at night, it takes water vapor (clouds) to trap the heat at night. Deserts can get very cold at night because of clear sky. Its why frosted (or translucent) glass is used to build an actual greenhouse.

Water vapor trapping the heat at night is the reason the earth stays warm. Mars has an atmosphere of 97% CO2 but remains colder than the earth.

 

[Glaucus]

So I know you guys are getting a kick out of all this weird weather in Florida, but you can't use it to form an argument about global weather trends as Florida isn't a good indicator.

Yes

I stopped reading after "Yes" as I'm so thrilled that we can finally agree on Global Warming. I knew you'd come around.

 

[faethor]

So I know you guys are getting a kick out of all this weird weather in Florida, but you can't use it to form an argument about global weather trends as Florida isn't a good indicator.

Yes and no, Mike. The "scientist" and politicians do the exact same thing when it fits their agenda, when it doesn't they use your argument. Don't you remember what was said after the 2004-2005 hurricane seasons? I do, I lived through the 8 hurricanes that made landfall in Florida those 2 years. This was used as the slam dunk answer to prove global warming. Al Gore even put a picture of a hurricane for his movie. In 2007-(early)2008 we had a slightly atypical dry spell and it was used as proof of global warming.

The answer to your Yes and No is well, Yes and No. Scientists continue to research the impact of Global Warming to Hurricanes. Now just because 1 happens to miss Florida doesn't mean there's no Hurricane. Atlantic Hurricanes have been increasing in frequency. Also it appears that hurricane paths are changing.

Here's a good start on Climate Change and Hurricanes

What politicans serve to do, well unfortunately is more frequently not in alignment with scientific research than it is. (cough, Clear Skies Iniative, cough, cough)

 

[faethor]

This demonstrates the big problem with the global warming greenhouse theory

The biggest problem with the 'Greenhouse Theory' is it's a allegory used for a describing things to a layman. No climatologist has scientifically shown that greenhouses and the atmosphere work by the exact same processes. It's a term used for simplification of explaination. What the problem here is anti-gw assume they are one in the same, disprove that the atmosphere works as a greenhouse then do the dance of the strawmen.

 

[metalman]

The biggest problem with the 'Greenhouse Theory' is it's a allegory used for a describing things to a layman.

layman understand Greenhouse theory is an allegory otherwise there would "have to be an actual greenhouse glass"

Gaia followers prefer to fabricate bogus claims of strawman arguments rather than acknowledge their greenhouse Theory models predictions are bogus. The global warming prediction was 2009 would be the hottest year ever. :roflmao:

 

[faethor]

layman understand Greenhouse theory is an allegory otherwise there would "have to be an actual greenhouse glass"

Though it appears not all 'scientists' know this. Gerlich and Tscheuschner were able to get their anti-gw published. G&T's paper is an epic fail where the first 40+ pages is building the strawman of 'Greenhouse' is really how the atmosphere works then knocking it down. A great :roflmao: as they now probably in the running for the longest logical fallacy masquarade as a scientific paper. Also I consider the pie on the face of the Physics Journal.

The global warming prediction was 2009 would be the hottest year ever.

It appears not all predictions match your statement here's one showing a prediction not of the hottest year ever but one of the top 5. Turns out 2009 is working out to the be the 5th hottest year ever measured.

 

[metalman]

The global warming prediction was 2009 would be the hottest year ever.

It appears not all predictions match your statement here's one showing a prediction not of the hottest year ever but one of the top 5. Turns out 2009 is working out to the be the 5th hottest year ever measured.

Prediction made:

Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:37pm GMT

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
went out on a limb and didn't wait for that last days data??
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Must have been unusually warm in Siberia this year, to offset the North American cooling
they really had to apply "data corrections" to get that result!

 

[faethor]

Prediction made:

Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:37pm GMT

went out on a limb and didn't wait for that last days data??

Not sure why that's funny? The prediction was prior to 2009. Sure there may be other predictions. It was simply one illustrating that not all predictions were 2009 as the hottest ever.

Must have been unusually warm in Siberia this year, to offset the North American cooling they really had to apply "data corrections" to get that result!

Even with a cooler US I believe we were slightly above average. There is another hemisphere. Africa and Australia received some of their hottest months ever measured. This more than off-set the cooler US. The Arctic also remains a warm area.

Here's the NOAA Map for Jan-Nov of 2009.

You can see the slightly cooler US and Siberia (since you asked). Check out Africa, Europe, Asia, South America, Australia - all significantly warmer than the US.

 

[metalman]

Here's the NOAA Map for Jan-Nov of 2009.

You can see the slightly cooler US and Siberia (since you asked). Check out Africa, Europe, Asia, South America, Australia - all significantly warmer than the US.

This graph shows the difference between the raw temperature set and the published (corrected) temperature set.

Just keep adding a larger "correction" every year and "ab-ra ka-dab-ra" another "one of the hottest years ever!!!"

Snowless winters coming
..Another wrong prediction.

 

[faethor]

This graph shows the difference between the raw temperature set and the published (corrected) temperature set.

Do you know this arguement has been disproven? Besides NOAA there are other data set which coorespond to the same change. This includes satelittes which show nearly the same change as ground based measured. Statiticans have compared the changes over time in raw numbers set and the quality adjusted set(you feel wrongly) and both resultants produce changes with no statisically significant difference.

This claim isn't uncommon. Many a time I've seen raw temps rejected because of the quality. For example one thought is the urban heat island effect. Then when data with adjusting to help control the quality and those concerns are presented it's rejected for not being raw data. Anti-GWers decide it's one or the other should we control data for quality or only use raw data? In the end does it really matter when both show relatively the same net positive gain?

Snowless winters coming
..Another wrong prediction.

Heresay at it's finest. Give us something that's verifiable. Which scientist said this when and about what conditions?

Globaling Cooling cycle? Not according to Statisticians. The AP took 5 statisticans gave them the #s, didn't tell them they were worldwide temperatures, and asked them about the trend. All 5 saw a positive trend.

 

[redrumloa]

Video: How to handle a frozen iguana

http://www.miamiherald.com/508/index.ht ... re_id=4216

Sherry L. Schlueter, Executive Director of the Wildlife Care Center in Ft. Lauderdale, explains how to handle a frozen iguana. With temperatures dipping near freezing, these non-native reptiles can't handle the cold and their scaly bodies shut down until they are able to warm up again.

These nuisance creatures may be erradicated thanks to this cold!

-Edit-
Just actually watched this video (took forever to load). WTF!!! Helping the iguanas? It is all Floridians duty to KILL these creatures! They are on the invasive species list and should be KILLED! WTF is wrong with Sherry L. Schlueter, Executive Director of the Wildlife Care Center in Ft. Lauderdale?

 

[Glaucus]

I take it you're not keeping any blankets warm in the drier in case you run across a chilled iguana in need of some assistance?

 

[redrumloa]

I take it you're not keeping any blankets warm in the drier in case you run across a chilled iguana in need of some assistance?

Just updated my post and no! :x I have a rusty machette in case one falls out of a tree in my back yard.

 

[Robert]

I take it you're not keeping any blankets warm in the drier in case you run across a chilled iguana in need of some assistance?

Just updated my post and no! :x I have a rusty machette in case one falls out of a tree in my back yard.

Interesting. I didn't know about this. Quick search turned this up:
http://www.greenigsociety.org/feraligs.htm

While some people find wild green iguanas to be a beautiful addition to the Florida ecosystem, the sad fact is that they do not belong there. As a consequence, at this time, they do not have a balanced place in the ecosystem with predators and competitors to keep their populations in check. At this time, very little has been done to study the ecological impact that green iguanas may have in Florida. However, given the negative impacts of many exotic species around the globe, such as the zebra mussel, English sparrow, walking catfish, and plants such as kudzu and purple loose-strife, it is best to assume that green iguanas will have some negative impact on the Florida ecosystem.

Not sure I'd go down the rusty macheté route but I see where you're coming from.

 

[redrumloa]

Not sure I'd go down the rusty macheté route but I see where you're coming from.

I used the term rusty jokingly, but actually decapitation is listed as one of the recomended humane ways to legally kill an iguana. I've seen estimates of 10's of millions of these things and that is likely. If you are near water at all (canals are all over the place here), you could be dealing with them daily.

 

[metalman]

I take it you're not keeping any blankets warm in the drier in case you run across a chilled iguana in need of some assistance?

Just updated my post and no! :x I have a rusty machette in case one falls out of a tree in my back yard.

Tiffany Snow, nuisance-wildlife biologist for the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. said decapitation was humane method of killing them in original article. :axe:

Florida Iguanas can be captured and removed from private property at any time without special permits. They are considered exotic unprotected wildlife. They may be caught by hand, noose pole, net, or traps.

There is a controversy over whether shooting them with a cross bow is humane (in Florida)

Green iguanas are listed in the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species II because of their economic importance and over-harvest for the international pet trade in their native range.

Green iguana juveniles are valuable as pets
Iguana meat is sold, goes for around $14/lb in gourmet stores :wink:

 

[Robert]

Iguana meat is sold, goes for around $14/lb in gourmet stores :wink:

Any idea what it tastes like?
If they're both pests and tasty, surely there's an opportunity for someone?