Global Warming report for May 2013

This is great, I can't wait for fig trees to thrive here. Also, having an actual year-round sea port only 1000km north from here would be sweet! Not as sweet as the figs though!
 
Yup the Lakes are a natural process. Though from what I could find it was 2002 when the lake was first observed. The questions related to a changing climate relate to the changes in the lake itself. Does the lake form earlier each year? Does it freeze later each year? Is it deeper or shallower each year? What has been observed is the lake forming earlier, melting later, and being deeper. Supposedly, 2013 is the deepest ever measured, over 40cm. Questions of the climate can't be answered in 1 year or 1 event. They are trends over time. This lake is one area we need to watch, understand more, and see if there is, or isn't, any trends.
 
faethor said:
Yup the Lakes are a natural process. Though from what I could find it was 2002 when the lake was first observed. The questions related to a changing climate relate to the changes in the lake itself. Does the lake form earlier each year? Does it freeze later each year? Is it deeper or shallower each year? What has been observed is the lake forming earlier, melting later, and being deeper. Supposedly, 2013 is the deepest ever measured, over 40cm. Questions of the climate can't be answered in 1 year or 1 event. They are trends over time. This lake is one area we need to watch, understand more, and see if there is, or isn't, any trends.
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AP Retraction:
Editors, photo editors, and photo librarians – please eliminate AP photo NY109 that was sent on Saturday, July 27, 2013. The caption inaccurately stated that “the shallow meltwater lake is occurring due to an unusually warm period.” In fact, the water accumulates in this way every summer. In addition, the images do not necessarily show conditions at the North Pole, because the weather buoy carrying the camera used by the North Pole Environmental Observatory has drifted hundreds of miles from its original position
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Currently, the camera is at 85 degrees north latitude, was originally placed near the North Pole in 2002.

the area of water appears large, because the photo was taken with a fish eye lens which distorts distance
 
As I said this lake is one area of research to watch. The actual people that do this research commented on the depth being greater. Here's another article where they comment that while summer is not yet over they are expecting 2013 to not break the 2012 record

And to my point that climate is a trend measured over the long term we find the lead researcher, Jamie Morrison, say, "it is the long-term observational record from these buoys that provides the perspective needed to understand what really is going on.”
 
faethor said:
As I said this lake is one area of research to watch. The actual people that do this research commented on the depth being greater. Here's another article where they comment that while summer is not yet over they are expecting 2013 to not break the 2012 record

And to my point that climate is a trend measured over the long term we find the lead researcher, Jamie Morrison, say, "it is the long-term observational record from these buoys that provides the perspective needed to understand what really is going on.”
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Wait a cotton pickin minute! What happened to your post North Pole Becomes A Lake For The First, time or something like that? Did you delete it the same way global warming alarmist hide the decline?
 
redrumloa said:
Wait a cotton pickin minute! What happened to your post North Pole Becomes A Lake For The First, time or something like that? Did you delete it the same way global warming alarmist hide the decline?
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In this post I had posed, and metalman copied 3 hours later, my statement that above average warmth in July created a lake. So not quite a 'for the first time' statement, at least not in this thread. Was there a different thread you were remembering?
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/11/u...orever-change-towns.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

Much of Kalamazoo’s plant and animal life has returned. But ridding the water of all the oil — some of which sank to the river floor and continues to generate a kaleidoscopic sheen — has proved elusive. Though a 40-mile stretch of the river has reopened after being closed for two years and most of the oil has been recovered or has evaporated, vestiges of the spill are everywhere. “For Sale” signs dot the rolling cornfields and soy farms. Once-coveted riverfront homes sit vacant.

Matt Davis, a real estate agent here, said he had struggled to sell homes since the spill. “Enbridge hopes people forget,” Mr. Davis said. “But this is my town. This is where I grew up. Enbridge isn’t from around here.
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and the price of getting oil out of the earth will continue to go up

I've been saying this for decades
 
NASA's map of drier zones due to Climate Change

Univ of MN Climatologist was on the radio today talking MN Climate changes over the last 30 years. The northern 1/3 of the State (near Winnipeg) has seen the most dramatic change with a month longer growing season (Spring-Fall). Spring is coming earlier. Rain patterns are seen as changed. 30 years ago most of our storms took 1-2 days and were lighter. This resulted in a good absorption of water in our soil. Today the storms are shorter 1/2-1 day. About the same amount of rain. Due to the shorter time the storms are heavier and doesn't get as well absorbed by the soil.
 
faethor said:
NASA's map of drier zones due to Climate Change

Univ of MN Climatologist was on the radio today talking MN Climate changes over the last 30 years. The northern 1/3 of the State (near Winnipeg) has seen the most dramatic change with a month longer growing season (Spring-Fall). Spring is coming earlier. Rain patterns are seen as changed. 30 years ago most of our storms took 1-2 days and were lighter. This resulted in a good absorption of water in our soil. Today the storms are shorter 1/2-1 day. About the same amount of rain. Due to the shorter time the storms are heavier and doesn't get as well absorbed by the soil.
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Actually, we've seen some flash flooding this summer. Don't ever remember that before. It's a bit odd for a flat place like Winnipeg to have flash floods because typically those kids of floods are caused by downpoures on unlevel terrain causing the water to run off into one area. That's what we saw in Calgary this year. But here in Winnipeg, we have nothing but flat land, lots of open fields that absorb water and lots of drainage as well. And yet, we had such a massive downpour this summer that large areas experienced flash flooding. Here's a video clip from the brand new Ikea that just happens to be about a 15 minute walk from my house:


The funny thing is that I wasn't home at the time and we completely missed the storm. Sophia and I were at a park on the North Eastern side of the city. We heard the thunder in the distance but felt nothing more than a mild spitting of water. I took this photo at the exact same time Ikea was flooding.

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I was pretty shocked when we drove home and saw all the damage from the storm. Entire parking lots with cars submerged up to their windows, car accidents and intersections taken out all around our area. Totally surreal. Luckily, my house just happens to be on slightly higher ground and we didn't get so much as a drop in our basement.
 
redrumloa said:
@faethor
The Sahara was once a lush rainforest for thousands of years. Does anthropogenic global warming (AGW) have a time machine?
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Nope. What you're seeing is insincere and purposeful mischaracterization by the anti-scientists. They make the false claim that climatologists claim AGW is always the cause. AGW is seen as the current largest factor out of many factors at play. This is different as always the primary factor over the history of the planet.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
That story reminds me of a very interesting theory about why the Sphinx in arid Egypt should show evidence of deep rain erosion.
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Right and the evidence points to the Sphinx being much, much older than first thought.

There are many chapters missing from human history. There are gold mines that are likely 200,000+ years old.
 
Robert said:
This is news to me. Link?
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Well this was discussed here before, but the link in that thread mentions going back to 110,000 years ago. I've read and seen talk of 200,000+ year old mines and civilizations like this link. Mind you this book probably gets into ET theories about the Anunnaki. Then again any suggestion that mankind is older than ~6,000 years old is usually treated as pseudoscience.
 
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