Global Warming report for May 2013

Glaucus said:
It's a bit odd for a flat place like Winnipeg to have flash floods because typically those kids of floods are caused by downpoures on unlevel terrain causing the water to run off into one area.
here in Winnipeg, we have nothing but flat land, lots of open fields that absorb water and lots of drainage as well.
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130000 years ago, what is Winnipeg now, was the bottom of a lake
 
redrumloa said:
I've read and seen talk of 200,000+ year old mines and civilizations like this link. Mind you this book probably gets into ET theories about the Anunnaki.
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Oh, that? Yes, discredited, speculative nonsense, as far as I can tell.

Then again any suggestion that mankind is older than ~6,000 years old is usually treated as pseudoscience.
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I thought it was well established that mankind is much older than that.
 
Robert said:
Oh, that? Yes, discredited, speculative nonsense, as far as I can tell.
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AFAIK it isn't just the ET believers, but they all get lumped together since it doesn't conform with the mainstream. Go back to that Whyzzat thread and follow the link about 110,000 year old mines. That has nothing to do with ETs.

I thought it was well established that mankind is much older than that.
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Not really, no. Mankind is 6,000 years old, period, says the mainstream.

One example, the water erosion theories about the Sphinx Fluffy mentioned are lumped in with with ET believers and dismissed. Look at the evidence yourself and you don't have to be a scientist to see how obvious it is there is water erosion on the Sphinx , which completely destroys the official understanding of the age of mankind.
 
redrumloa said:
Mankind is 6,000 years old, period, says the mainstream.
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Again, this is news to me, unless by "mainstream" you mean young-earth-lunacy.

Look at the evidence yourself and you don't have to be a scientist to see how obvious it is there is water erosion on the Sphinx , which completely destroys the official understanding of the age of mankind.
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As very small children we were taught (about 35 years ago) that modern humans were estimated to have been about for somewhere between 100,00 and 200,000 years. So when I said I thought it was well established that mankind is older than 6,000 years old, what I meant was almost everyone in Scotland of my age (I have no idea if this is still taught to kids) knows that mankind is more than 6,000 years old. How that translates to the opposite in your neck of the woods is something of a mystery and a wee bit alarming.

You obviously have completely different sources from me (and everyone else I know *apart* from the young earth nutters).

I'd really like to see a link to this "official understanding" you cite as being 6,000 years because, quite frankly, it sounds like utter horsefeathers that would be laughed out of any primary school in Scotland (and, I'd like to think, any other country that takes education seriously).
 
Robert said:
Again, this is news to me, unless by "mainstream" you mean young-earth-lunacy.
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Thanks for good points.

Redrumloa's claim of 'mainstream says mankind is 6K years old' is odd. I thought he was ripping on the Young Earth Creationists. Mainstream science certainly does not say this. You're spot on that Homo Sapiens are thought to be over 100K but probably under 200K years old. Fossil record for Homo Sapiens Idaltu is about 200K years old. The genus Homo has fossil records established back a bit older than 2Million years. And if we look at the DNA and molecules the estimated split is about 6 million years ago.

6K is not mainstream science. I assumed Redrumloa was attempting to be funny.


redrumloa said:
One example, the water erosion theories about the Sphinx Fluffy mentioned are lumped in with with ET believers and dismissed. Look at the evidence yourself and you don't have to be a scientist to see how obvious it is there is water erosion on the Sphinx , which completely destroys the official understanding of the age of mankind.
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Most scientists agree there is erosion on the Sphinx. Though what type of erosion is still debated. Water erosion from flooding is one type. Haloclasty, damage from rain, is another. There were experiments showing that at least some Haloclasty is going on today. And we know wind erosion is, also, at work today.

"I mean that from my knowledge of the world that I see around me, I think that it is much more likely that the reports of flying saucers are the results of the known irrational characteristics of terrestrial intelligence than of the unknown rational efforts of extra-terrestrial intelligence" - Richard Feyman
 
Robert said:
As very small children we were taught (about 35 years ago) that modern humans were estimated to have been about for somewhere between 100,00 and 200,000 years. So when I said I thought it was well established that mankind is older than 6,000 years old, what I meant was almost everyone in Scotland of my age (I have no idea if this is still taught to kids) knows that mankind is more than 6,000 years old. How that translates to the opposite in your neck of the woods is something of a mystery and a wee bit alarming.
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:facepalm:
 
redrumloa said:
:facepalm:
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So you *were* joking?

I know it's older than 6,000 years.
You know it.
"Mainstream" knows it.
And the "official understanding" knows it.

If you actually agree with this then I have absolutely no idea what serious point (if any) you were trying to make by pretending the opposite.
 
Robert said:
So you *were* joking?

I know it's older than 6,000 years.
You know it.
"Mainstream" knows it.
And the "official understanding" knows it.

If you actually agree with this then I have absolutely no idea what serious point (if any) you were trying to make by pretending the opposite.
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Am I conversing with adults here? How can you take a conversation about modern humans and civilization, and all of a sudden think I am talking about evolution? You guys have some warped preconceived notions that keep you from having the ability to engage in a real conversation.

MODERN HUMANS FROM WIKIPEDIA

About 6,000 years ago, the first proto-states developed in Mesopotamia, Egypt's Nile Valley and the Indus Valley
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Jebus Cripes guys! Am I wasting time here? I really think I am sometimes.
 
@Red, When you first mentioned 6,000 years in this thread, were you referring to the age of mankind or the proto-states? The two are totally different things.
 
redrumloa said:
How can you take a conversation about modern humans and civilization, and all of a sudden think I am talking about evolution?
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Evolution?
Where did I say you were talking about evolution?

You guys have some warped preconceived notions that keep you from having the ability to engage in a real conversation.
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Skipping over the irony of that comment, the idea of mankind being only 6,000 years old is utterly absurd. Yet you continued to insist that this was the consensus.

It seems you are now talking about civilisation, rather than mankind. That's fair enough, insofar as I can understand why you didn't make the distinction. However, you *did* say mankind. Mankind is, as I hope has now been established, widely considered to be much older than you said. That's why I questioned it. If you'd said civilisation, I would never have done so.
 
Glaucus said:
Thanks Metalman, but that isn't exactly news to me. That's also a very long time ago.
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A mere blink of the eye in geological time

the draining of Lake Agassiz which started 8200 years ago, and took 400 years to drain was the biggest climate event of the current Holocene epoch
 
Robert said:
It seems you are now talking about civilisation, rather than mankind. That's fair enough, insofar as I can understand why you didn't make the distinction. However, you *did* say mankind. Mankind is, as I hope has now been established, widely considered to be much older than you said. That's why I questioned it. If you'd said civilisation, I would never have done so.
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Sid Meier's mainstream game for the Amiga, Civilization, began it's game play in 4000BC. That's perhaps where Red got 6K years ago. :D
 
"A brand-new finding, made using advanced analysis of DNA from all over the world, sheds new light on this mystery. By studying the DNA sequence of Y chromosomes of men from many different populations, scientists have determined that their male most recent common ancestor (MRCA) lived sometime between 120,000 and 156,000 years ago."
 
Jump in atmospheric methane in the north. There is seasonal variation as the wetland freezes and thaws - in the only local shown in the link with a multi year chart it seems that the peak amounts haven't changed that much but the base amount has risen.
 
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