I can't believe the news today...

Speelgoedmannetje said:
Wait wow what? Screw that!
Autism so often abused by people who just heard another term but don't know what it means yet spray it all over us like a manure spreader.
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From what I read he had Asperger's Syndrome, which is now classified under Autism Spectrum Disorder.
 
Apparently it's not too soon for the right wing bloggers to provide their own opinions:
Guns are NOT Responsible for Sandy Hook, Liberals are!
The people responsible for the murder of more than fifty million innocent children over the last forty years, who make violent films and games for children, who teach that all human perversions are alternative lifestyles, who drug our children so that they will sit quiet in class, who play with our food supply, indoctrinate generations to believe they are entitled to things they did not earn, these people are responsible for creating a sick society capable of a Sandy Hook atrocity.
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Quite the laundry list there. Of course he forgets to mention the real reason why Americans need assault rifles: to kill those who make violent films and games for children, who teach that all human perversions are alternative lifestyles, who drug our children so that they will sit quiet in class, who play with our food supply, indoctrinate generations to believe they are entitled to things they did not earn, etc.
 
Speelgoedmannetje said:
Wait wow what? Screw that!
Autism so often abused by people who just heard another term but don't know what it means yet spray it all over us like a manure spreader.
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my point is that the news media is throwing this word around and what is REALLY required is a complete and full diagnosis rather than a word that makes some people think they have the answer.
 
Robert said:
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However, he somewhat undermined his argument when, after being asked how it would've worked in the recent cinema massacre if the police arrived to find more than one shooter, his response was to completely body-swerve it and express faux amazement that anyone in Europe could have the nerve to question death rates from guns in the US when we've all been committing genocide for centuries.
Absolute fruitcake.

He was still ranting about Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini when the presenter cut him off.
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these guys NEVER understand what a blood bath their "solutions" are.
 
yep... its another sad day in somewhere USA... fingers will be pointed, blame will be placed, and plenty of well meaning folks will come forward in the next few weeks and say plenty o dumb sh@t... even more will offer up knee jerk reactionary solutions and none will prove effective. tragic tragic tragic.... and there will be no easy answer tho everyone who comes along will assure us it s all so simple, just gotta do this or that... and the next one will come. warning signs will be overlooked, easy outs will continue to be taken and anything that might've come from this that could be regarded even remotely as good will be lost... they will have died for naught...
 
George Monbiot's take:
what applies to the children murdered there by a deranged young man also applies to the children murdered in Pakistan by a sombre American president. These children are just as important, just as real, just as deserving of the world's concern. Yet there are no presidential speeches or presidential tears for them, no pictures on the front pages of the world's newspapers, no interviews with grieving relatives, no minute analysis of what happened and why.

If the victims of Mr Obama's drone strikes are mentioned by the state at all, they are discussed in terms which suggest that they are less than human. The people who operate the drones, Rolling Stone magazine reports, describe their casualties as "bug splats", "since viewing the body through a grainy-green video image gives the sense of an insect being crushed".

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Obama does not kill children deliberately. But their deaths are an inevitable outcome of the way his drones are deployed.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/us-killings-tragedies-pakistan-bug-splats
 
Robert,

I think there's no doubt that dead children is a tragedy no matter where they are. However, people tend to be more emotionally attached to those close to them. Back in 2004 when the Beslan school massacre happened in Russia, no one was more emotionally moved than the Russians themselves. We eventually forgot about it, but it was dragged out for years over there. And the reality is, what makes it so much more emotionally charged for Americans is that they understand it could happen to them, whereas they don't feel it highly likely to be blown up by a drone strike.
 
redrumloa said:
Very true, Autism had nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, very soon we may see ethics papers suggesting post birth abortions of children suspected of autism. When that happens most of Whyzzat will argue for it, pointing out it has been done before in history and the earth does not have enough resources.
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that cat is out of the bag... remember the romney contract with the surrogate?
 
nothing...milk prices do not hinge on society's moral failings... but it does establish that people will go to great lengths to ensure the health of unborn babies and that when the fetus isnt fully what is desired, they will toss it away...humans of all political persuasions, socio economic class, race, and creed do that...
 
robert l. bentham said:
nothing...milk prices do not hinge on society's moral failings... but it does establish that people will go to great lengths to ensure the health of unborn babies and that when the fetus isnt fully what is desired, they will toss it away...humans of all political persuasions, socio economic class, race, and creed do that...
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I think it is well established that I have a very low opinion of the modern republican party in general and specifically Mitt Romney. Just because various people do it does not make it right or humane.

Pregnancy is easy to avoid with very simple steps.
 
redrumloa said:
I think it is well established that I have a very low opinion of the modern republican party in general and specifically Mitt Romney. Just because various people do it does not make it right or humane.

Pregnancy is easy to avoid with very simple steps.
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well i can see the gary johnson photo so i am actually not questioning your party loyalties... they are quite obvious to me... you tend to think of whyzatters as a bunch of tree hugging hippies tho,( who like to slay babies). my point is that your little barbs are always noted and they actually tend to diminish the good things you say. whyzatters don't have to call for this, ethicists won't need to either... they already do... and sometimes people want that control over their lives and futures when they are trying to get pregnant, so the birth control easy to avoid argument is kind of moot point... what is right and humane to you is guided by the culmination of your personal value system and lifes experiences and as such they might differ from others... should we as society consider aborting the birth defected in order to spare them from a life of uphill struggle, ostracization at times, or outright misery? thats a tuff one... what if they are to be born with an illness that would afford them only six months of life and guaranteed suffering for the last two months? no easy answers in this world for sure. im just increasingly grateful these arent the decisions that i must make in my life.
 
excerpt:"Every day eight kids under 20-years-old die from gun violence in America. That's 56 kids a week, 340 kids a month and over 3,000 kids every year. In fact you could fill Fenway Park three times over with the 110,000 children killed by guns in the U.S. over the past 30 years!"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-...ldren-from_b_2307169.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

interesting food for thought... much of which i wholeheartedly agree with

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"Anger-Fueled Suicides: A Roll Call of Infamy:
• Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook Elementary), 26 dead, unknown number of wounded. Suicide.
• ;Jacob Roberts (Clackamas Mall), 2 dead, 1 wounded. Suicide.
• James Holmes (Aurora Mall), 12 dead, 59 wounded. Captured alive.
• Wade Page (Sikh Temple), 6 dead, 4 wounded. Suicide.
•Harris and Klebold (Columbine High School), 13 killed, 21 injured. Double suicide.
• Kip Kinkel (Springfield High School), 2 dead, 24 wounded. Captured alive.
Unless we start doing things differently, the list will get longer. For every shooter that acts, there are 100, or 1,000, who are suiting up and getting their guns. Unless we respond to the real motivations, the real pain, generated by a society that does not work, these anger-fueled suicides will become as common as traffic jams.
Who is to blame? They certainly did not start out bad. These shooters, in 16 to 20+ years, went from being cuddly, happy, laughing babies and smiling children to homicidal and suicidal maniacs. WHAT HAPPENED?
They committed these acts because they were starved. Soul starved.
Starved, not in the sense of lacking food, but in the sense of an inability to obtain the real nutrition they needed – emotional and spiritual. In reading his tortured journal excerpts (published in a local newspaper), it was clear to me that Kip Kinkel had the experience of constant soul pain, a profound aloneness, a pain that we find hard to identify but is none the less real.
He didn’t start off life as a psychotic. None of them did. They don’t have “bad genes”. They were in pain, dying inside from a lack of experience of the Transcendent.
No, I don’t mean that they needed to go to church, or read a particular holy book. The Transcendent is all around us – and our children are not taught how to connect with it. When I say that the shooters lack the Transcendent, I mean:
• A lack of experiences of community with other beings, including but not limited to other human beings.
• A lack of experiences of depth, of meaning. Moving through the ordinary world, but not having an awareness of beauty, of love, of meaning, of aliveness — inherent in everyday activities.
• A lack of awareness of Life and Death. A knowing that goes beyond Hollywood movies and first-person shooter video games.
• The lack of a Dream – not just the sleeping kind, but being aligned with a concept, an idea that goes beyond your personal life. The shooters were in pain. Soul pain is real. Our culture, in its ignorance of spirit and soul, cannot recognize their pain (and society’s role in causing it). Soul pain is real and important — obviously, it is more important than life itself for those who suffer it.​
THEY DON’T NEED “THERAPY”. They don’t need pharmaceuticals. They don’t need counseling in how to function in a dysfunctional society. This is not a “mental health” issue. This is a societal health issue.
I say this from experience. I was clearly in the single digits when I recognized that something was fundamentally wrong with the world. Like the shooters, I had no language to articulate the emptiness that sat in my chest like a gaping hole, the sense that I was in the world completely alone."


http://www.culturechange.org/cms/content/view/867/1/
 
redrumloa said:
Very true, Autism had nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, very soon we may see ethics papers suggesting post birth abortions of children suspected of autism. When that happens most of Whyzzat will argue for it, pointing out it has been done before in history and the earth does not have enough resources.
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Except the ones who argue against it - amongst whom will be those who will also be arguing against "handouts" and '"entitlements" for programs to help care for and treat autistic children.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Except the ones who argue against it - amongst whom will be those who will also be arguing against "handouts" and '"entitlements" for programs to help care for and treat autistic children.
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our ideas of what it means to be a community have failed us...:(
 
Gunman’s behavior indicates planning and control: Ex-FBI profiler


Investigators had hoped Lanza's computers would shed some light on what caused him to massacre 20 first-graders and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary, a school he once attended. But the 20-year-old reportedly butchered his computer's hard drives with a hammer or screwdriver,
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O'Toole said the way Lanza carried out his killings suggested a high measure of control, including damaging the computers.

"His computers were very important him. They were a window to his world," O'Toole told Yahoo News. "He didn't want them to survive. He knew that they would give insight into him and didn't want people to have it."

Friends and family of Lanza's mother, 52-year-old Nancy Lanza, have said she dedicated her life to helping her son, who reportedly had Asperger's syndrome or other mental health issues.

O'Toole said people with Asperger's aren't known to commit such violence and that too much is being made about Lanza's mental health.

"It's time we stop putting out the mental health issue as an excuse that he didn't know what he was doing," she said.
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