If you're a Democrat

Again Fade not sure why the Republican plans don't do that. Most of the Voter-ID are Republican driven mandates. In many States they don't take Birth Certificates. http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx

Even if that is done we need some sort of systems in coordination to verify identification. If you notice most of these take many forms of ID. There has to be some cross functional computerized system to validate the ID. Else it's really not IDing anyone.

I go back to this all costs at some point. If we're at 99.9% accurate voting (according to Republicans doing their research) then we're fixing a problem for mutli-millions of dollars that doesn't exist. Conservative spending is using one's money for the best return on investment. Voter-ID is truly incongruent with the idea of fiscal conservation.
 
I don't think it's hit you yet Faethor; no matter what pitiful reasons you invent, you lost this argument a long time ago.:p
 
Fade said:
On a side note; Biden now says you can get a free ass reaming if you want one. I wonder how many extra votes that will get Obama.
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quite a few ...
among the Folsom Street fair goers ...
which was yesterday
Many were also offering to provide a free enema with every reaming

Official Obama Rainbow Oreo
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They only had "Double Stuff's" at the Folsom Street fair
 
Fade said:
I don't think it's hit you yet Faethor; no matter what pitiful reasons you invent, you lost this argument a long time ago.:p
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You are right that politically this arguement has been lost.

Republicans argue against spending when spending is unneeded. They argue against fixing things when they are working (99.9%). We have millions in new taxation on the way. Voter-ID hasn't proven to fix the .1% error rate, in fact it often makes the error greater. Republicans were able to put away rationality and sell the FUD of Voter-ID. By all RATIONAL accounts it's not something the USA needs. Voter-ID is akin to a light version of the the Patriot Act. Lots of Theatre for no benefit with a high cost.
 
fake republicans really know how to waste lots of money
 
Fade said:
.... apparently the Socialists on this board couldn't be bothered to read something a rich Democrat had to say."
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If I were a socialist, I doubt I'd have much interest in what members of a party mostly comprised of rich, capitalist, war supporters have to say.
 
Signed by Bush Millionaire Bankers have free Millions. Between the two 30 free phones is more conservative, since it costs us less. ;)
 
faethor said:
Signed by Bush Millionaire Bankers have free Millions. Between the two 30 free phones is more conservative, since it costs us less. ;)
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that's what gets me. :mad:

even that video is ALL about 'look at all those nasty poor people grabbing cell phones' .

it's not real reporting. As I posted somewhere else, this phone program (started by Reagan and expanded by bush) was to let poor people get ONE phone - and only one phone - at a reduced rate. If they get their phone from Virgin Mobile it's their cheapest crappiest phones. I don't know about other cities and other phone companies. But I really doubt they are giving away iPhones. :rolleyes:

the Real problem is what appears to be incredibly lax implementation of this service. WHERE is the reporting on THAT?

I don't mind old people and working mothers getting a break on cell phones so they have access to 911, their children in school or so a boss can call them.

What I don't want is so idiot bureaucratic lazy ass just throwing the phones out there in a pile for everyone to grab.

And the rich getting away with murder is way worse because THAT costs the middle class way more than the phone jockeys, as you pointed out.

once again, WHERE is the proper reporting on THAT??
 
faethor said:
Signed by Bush Millionaire Bankers have free Millions. Between the two 30 free phones is more conservative, since it costs us less. ;)
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Bush is not the current POTUS.

I hope this helps.
 
Red I agree with you. Obama should kill the previous Regan and Bush POTUS programs. Of course we need the Congress to pass the bills so Obama can sign.
 
faethor said:
Red I agree with you. Obama should kill the previous Regan and Bush POTUS programs. Of course we need the Congress to pass the bills so Obama can sign.
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Those receiving and selling them are calling them free "Obama Phones" not "Bush Phones" or "Reagan Phones"

So you're in favor of repealing the free "Reagan Phones" legislation,
then everyones cell phone bill will drop by $5 per month
 
Those receiving and selling them are calling them free "Obama Phones" not "Bush Phones" or "Reagan Phones"
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And?! Just because someone doesn't know where a policy originated doesn't mean we get to reassign the policy. My Grandpa received SS under Reagan and Bush. That doesn't change the fact that SS originated 50 years earlier.

So you're in favor of repealing the free "Reagan Phones" legislation,
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I haven't reviewed it thoroughly enough (nor do I doubt you have either) to understand all the details. (Sorry to put words in your mouth but I think they're fair - you see all spending on shared resources as wrong.)

I'll add though one important difference here is the 'Obama Phones' (if you want to call it that) are a pay-as-you-go program. There's no need for the government to borrow to carry out this program. You and I pay today for it and don't pass the costs down to our Children or Grandchildren. Expenses are covered by revenues (at nearly the same time) it's flat out fiscally conservative. I see the discussion around this program concerning what minimum standards we should provide to the least among us (as Jesus called the needy and struggling) so they too can acheive a 'pursuit of happiness' as stated in the Constitution.
 
faethor said:
I'll add though one important difference here is the 'Obama Phones' (if you want to call it that) are a pay-as-you-go program. There's no need for the government to borrow to carry out this program. You and I pay today for it and don't pass the costs down to our Children or Grandchildren. Expenses are covered by revenues (at nearly the same time) it's flat out fiscally conservative. I see the discussion around this program concerning what minimum standards we should provide to the least among us (as Jesus called the needy and struggling) so they too can acheive a 'pursuit of happiness' as stated in the Constitution.
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So your not in favor of ending this abused program!

The spending under program has dramatically increased, since Obama became President, its now a scheme to buy votes

Expenses are covered by revenues, because the fee automatically increases as more "free Obama phones" are given away :rolleyes:

Would you be in favor of a requirement to have to have to show an ID to receive a free Obama phone?

Doesn’t 'pursuit of happiness" also require a big screen TV to go along with the "free Obama phone"?
 
metalman said:
So your not in favor of ending this abused program!
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I haven't reviewed it thoroughly enough to understand all the details

The spending under program has dramatically increased, since Obama became President, its now a scheme to buy votes
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Let's be a bit real here. ALL programs have influences to voters in positive and negative ways.

Expenses are covered by revenues, because the fee automatically increases as more "free Obama phones" are given away :rolleyes:
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Mitt said, during the debates, we should have government live within it's means. That means living closer to the incomes = spending. This is a fiscally conservative programs. Whether you agree on the reasons for it's existence or not doesn't matter. If we want programs to pay for themselves without borrowing then we have one here that succeeds at that.

Would you be in favor of a requirement to have to have to show an ID to receive a free Obama phone?
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Again I don't know all aspects of the program. How do you know they don't? Afterall this is a needs based program so the people probably give ID and or financial statements over for analysis to join. Though do note we attest to our ID when we sign the voter roles. Accuracy is VERY high 99.9%, according to Republican analysis. (And the Republicans are the ones telling us how bad it is so I'm assuming they'll be looking for a worst case analysis.) It's interesting in so far as Credit Card companies claim about 4-5% of people experience ID theft. So, interestingly enough the Voter System is better than a Driver's License and Credit Card combined system. I think the reason is fairly easy why. The individual that steals or commits ID Fraud gains far more immediate value out of Credit Card ID fraud than they do out of Voter ID fraud. In reality the counters of Votes serve more to gain.

Doesn’t 'pursuit of happiness" also require a big screen TV to go along with the "free Obama phone"?
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I'd say no to a big screen. Though a TV might be a necessity. Certainly the Founders were concerned about having informed citizens. There is a variety of things we do in society to help ensure a citizen is informed. Providing schools, providing libraries, providing transportation to get to/from the resources, providing over the air communication, providing free/low cost newspapers... As society changes we may indeed see a need of one of those resources which no longer fits into the system and we may switch to another. Thus, we now see libaries carrying computers because the internet is HUGE (as you well know.) Is a TV in every home a necessity? I'm not so sure because those resources are handled in other ways.

Phones OTOH are a mandatory resource that nothing else truly fills. And certainly fraud, like mulitple phones should be addressed. One the pluses is it appears on the surface is this program's rate of fraud is fairly similar to private sector's experienced fraud rate in brick-n-mortor stores. Both sectors could probably learn from each other on how to better minimialize those sorts of events.
 
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