Massive Vehicle Blast In Oslo

Hopefully Norway has a death sentence.
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You are hoping in vain. He will spend 7-15 years in a club like atmosphere leaving for weekend vacations and be released. Check out the history of Varg Vikernes and his prison sentence.Varg recorded 2 albums in prison and hardly had a bad lifestyle, then was released after 15 years. He would have been released much earlier, but he "broke out" of prison and led police on a long police chase with a car full of weapons.
 
redrumloa said:
You are hoping in vain.
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Norway is one of the most civilised nations on the planet.
Quite rightly, it outlawed such government sanctioned barbarity over one hundred years ago.

The maximum prison sentence is 21 years.

It has one of the lowest crime rates on the planet.
 
Robert said:
Norway is one of the most civilised nations on the planet.
Quite rightly, it outlawed such government sanctioned barbarity over one hundred years ago.

The maximum prison sentence is 21 years.

It has one of the lowest crime rates on the planet.
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sounds like a lovely place to live.
 
redrumloa said:
I guess Norway can expect another round of car bombs and mass killings in <21 years.
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America must be virtually crime free, eh?

There are diminishing returns for length of punishment which comes with increasing costs - both financial and social. It's not that crooks feel like a couple of years in jail is nothing - it's just that they don't think they'll get caught so it doesn't matter what the sentence is. Resources are better spent making a society that doesn't seem so unfair that crime looks like an attractive way to get ahead and to create a society that people want to join (so that going to prison actually is more of a punishment than living in the projects).
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
America must be virtually crime free, eh?
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Obviously not but the rate released inmate are re-offenders is something like 90%.

There are diminishing returns for length of punishment which comes with increasing costs - both financial and social. It's not that crooks feel like a couple of years in jail is nothing - it's just that they don't think they'll get caught so it doesn't matter what the sentence is. Resources are better spent making a society that doesn't seem so unfair that crime looks like an attractive way to get ahead and to create a society that people want to join (so that going to prison actually is more of a punishment than living in the projects).
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We are talking about a mass murderer here. The jail sentence should be short and it should end with the death of the murder. I will never understand contempt for victims on one side of the coin and sympathy for mass murderers on the other side.
 
It's evident that he is quiet insane. I don't know why you are targeting his religion preference when the religion itself condemns his actions? Seriously, could you see Jesus supporting his actions or calling his actions Satanic and pray for his soul? You can spin it all you want, he is a madman.
 
redrumloa said:
Obviously not but the rate released inmate are re-offenders is something like 90%.

We are talking about a mass murderer here. The jail sentence should be short and it should end with the death of the murder. I will never understand contempt for victims on one side of the coin and sympathy for mass murderers on the other side.
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But it's the Progressive's way! Thankfully most US states have a death penalty for such monsters.
 
Dammy said:
I don't know why you are targeting his religion preference when the religion itself condemns his actions? Seriously, could you see Jesus supporting his actions or calling his actions Satanic and pray for his soul? You can spin it all you want, he is a madman.
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The religion itself doesn't condemn his actions. Some people's interpretation of the religion does and some people's interpretation doesn't. It's not much different from all the peaceful Muslims who claim that Islam is a religion of peace and all the radicals who see it as a religion of righteous violent struggle. You seem to be getting a taste of what it's like to be a Muslim who condemns 9/11. Tarred with the same brush.
 
redrumloa said:
Obviously not but the rate released inmate are re-offenders is something like 90%.
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Means that prison isn't the answer, doesn't it. It means that the US "correctional system" doesn't - but that might be because the US "justice system" isn't. Why does Norway have low crime and the US high crime if the US way is the right way to do things?
 
Dammy said:
Thankfully most US states have a death penalty for such monsters.
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Puts the US in the same club as countries like China, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea. Not even Russia has capital punishment any more.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Means that prison isn't the answer, doesn't it. It means that the US "correctional system" doesn't - but that might be because the US "justice system" isn't. Why does Norway have low crime and the US high crime if the US way is the right way to do things?
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I'm pretty sure most people know fine well that state sanctioned murder is not the 'right way' to do anything but some people's vengeful blood-lust won't let them admit that.
 
redrumloa said:
I will never understand contempt for victims on one side of the coin and sympathy for mass murderers on the other side.
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If he is tried and sentenced that is not contemptuous of the victims. Further, if the victims receive care from the state that is not contemptuous either. The dead cannot be brought back by any manner of punishment of the perpetrator. However, some people would rather live in a society where the government does not have the right to kill the citizens and will make the difficult accommodations to preserve that society.
 
redrumloa said:
We are talking about a mass murderer here. The jail sentence should be short and it should end with the death of the murder. I will never understand contempt for victims on one side of the coin and sympathy for mass murderers on the other side.
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Perhaps, but let's put things in perspective here. You're trying to judge Norway's legal system based on your expectations of just one case. Yes, perhaps this guy will get a much lighter sentence then if it happened in the US, however, this type of event almost never happens in Norway so can you explain to me why they should have a legal system tuned for this type of crime?

We can speculate all we want as to why Norway has a low crime rate, but the fact is that they do and it makes little sense for them to invest a whole lot of time and effort into "tough on crime" legislation.
 
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