McCain's VP choice

Robert said:
Agnostics are wimps because they leave the religious room to live in their fantasy without feeling like loons - they do a disservice by wussing out and fence sitting.

I know exactly what you mean and I confess to being that wimp. :-D

BTW, I arrive in toronto on Saturday so I'll let you know if I'm going to make it out West.[/quote]

Well, at least you know! :)

Saturday is pretty soon. Good thing you didn't get your tickets with Zoom! I'll keep a lookout for signs of contact.
 
Robert said:
Agnostics are wimps because they leave the religious room to live in their fantasy without feeling like loons - they do a disservice by wussing out and fence sitting.

I know exactly what you mean and I confess to being that wimp. :-D

BTW, I arrive in toronto on Saturday so I'll let you know if I'm going to make it out West.[/quote]

Well, at least you know! :)

Saturday is pretty soon. Good thing you didn't get your tickets with Zoom! I'll keep a lookout for signs of contact.
 
Robert said:
Agnostics are wimps because they leave the religious room to live in their fantasy without feeling like loons - they do a disservice by wussing out and fence sitting.

I know exactly what you mean and I confess to being that wimp. :-D

BTW, I arrive in toronto on Saturday so I'll let you know if I'm going to make it out West.[/quote]

Well, at least you know! :)

Saturday is pretty soon. Good thing you didn't get your tickets with Zoom! I'll keep a lookout for signs of contact.
 
Robert said:
Agnostics are wimps because they leave the religious room to live in their fantasy without feeling like loons - they do a disservice by wussing out and fence sitting.

I know exactly what you mean and I confess to being that wimp. :-D

BTW, I arrive in toronto on Saturday so I'll let you know if I'm going to make it out West.[/quote]

Well, at least you know! :)

Saturday is pretty soon. Good thing you didn't get your tickets with Zoom! I'll keep a lookout for signs of contact.
 
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.
If you are jewish, you are atheist - to all religions except judaism.
If you are muslim, you are atheist - to all religions except islam.
If you are atheist, you just believe in one less religion than any of the above.
Atheism simply means a lack of belief in a deity. It does not necessarily mean belief that there cannot be a deity of any kind.
Perhaps you see this as a subtle difference but it is a very important one.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"

The Protestants are excommunicated "heretics"

Catholics hold that The Israelites "covenant" between God and the Israelites in the old testament (Torah) is still valid.

everyone else is an "heathen pagan" who needs to be ministered to and baptized
 
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.
If you are jewish, you are atheist - to all religions except judaism.
If you are muslim, you are atheist - to all religions except islam.
If you are atheist, you just believe in one less religion than any of the above.
Atheism simply means a lack of belief in a deity. It does not necessarily mean belief that there cannot be a deity of any kind.
Perhaps you see this as a subtle difference but it is a very important one.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"

The Protestants are excommunicated "heretics"

Catholics hold that The Israelites "covenant" between God and the Israelites in the old testament (Torah) is still valid.

everyone else is an "heathen pagan" who needs to be ministered to and baptized
 
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.
If you are jewish, you are atheist - to all religions except judaism.
If you are muslim, you are atheist - to all religions except islam.
If you are atheist, you just believe in one less religion than any of the above.
Atheism simply means a lack of belief in a deity. It does not necessarily mean belief that there cannot be a deity of any kind.
Perhaps you see this as a subtle difference but it is a very important one.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"

The Protestants are excommunicated "heretics"

Catholics hold that The Israelites "covenant" between God and the Israelites in the old testament (Torah) is still valid.

everyone else is an "heathen pagan" who needs to be ministered to and baptized
 
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.
If you are jewish, you are atheist - to all religions except judaism.
If you are muslim, you are atheist - to all religions except islam.
If you are atheist, you just believe in one less religion than any of the above.
Atheism simply means a lack of belief in a deity. It does not necessarily mean belief that there cannot be a deity of any kind.
Perhaps you see this as a subtle difference but it is a very important one.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"

The Protestants are excommunicated "heretics"

Catholics hold that The Israelites "covenant" between God and the Israelites in the old testament (Torah) is still valid.

everyone else is an "heathen pagan" who needs to be ministered to and baptized
 
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.
If you are jewish, you are atheist - to all religions except judaism.
If you are muslim, you are atheist - to all religions except islam.
If you are atheist, you just believe in one less religion than any of the above.
Atheism simply means a lack of belief in a deity. It does not necessarily mean belief that there cannot be a deity of any kind.
Perhaps you see this as a subtle difference but it is a very important one.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"

The Protestants are excommunicated "heretics"

Catholics hold that The Israelites "covenant" between God and the Israelites in the old testament (Torah) is still valid.

everyone else is an "heathen pagan" who needs to be ministered to and baptized
 
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.
If you are jewish, you are atheist - to all religions except judaism.
If you are muslim, you are atheist - to all religions except islam.
If you are atheist, you just believe in one less religion than any of the above.
Atheism simply means a lack of belief in a deity. It does not necessarily mean belief that there cannot be a deity of any kind.
Perhaps you see this as a subtle difference but it is a very important one.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"

The Protestants are excommunicated "heretics"

Catholics hold that The Israelites "covenant" between God and the Israelites in the old testament (Torah) is still valid.

everyone else is an "heathen pagan" who needs to be ministered to and baptized
 
metalman said:
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"
[...]

Good point. I suppose what he should have said is that if you are a monotheist then you are atheist with regards to all other possible gods but the one you subscribe to.

If you are Catholic then you only believe in the Judaic god Jehovah (YHWH) with added Jesus and Holy Spirit (so you get sort of three gods in one but it's really only the one, except the Jews haven't noticed that their G-D has Jesus in him) but you don't believe in Allah even though Allah is also the G-D of the Jews but called by the name that derives from the Aramaic name that Jesus used - "Eloi".

But nonetheless, the Greek, Roman, and Teutonic pantheons are nonsense to you not to mention all those gods in India.

It all amounts to a lot of bickering about which end you should crack your egg, and like Lilliput and Blefuscu it's all fiction - though, in this case, at least eggs are real.
 
metalman said:
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"
[...]

Good point. I suppose what he should have said is that if you are a monotheist then you are atheist with regards to all other possible gods but the one you subscribe to.

If you are Catholic then you only believe in the Judaic god Jehovah (YHWH) with added Jesus and Holy Spirit (so you get sort of three gods in one but it's really only the one, except the Jews haven't noticed that their G-D has Jesus in him) but you don't believe in Allah even though Allah is also the G-D of the Jews but called by the name that derives from the Aramaic name that Jesus used - "Eloi".

But nonetheless, the Greek, Roman, and Teutonic pantheons are nonsense to you not to mention all those gods in India.

It all amounts to a lot of bickering about which end you should crack your egg, and like Lilliput and Blefuscu it's all fiction - though, in this case, at least eggs are real.
 
metalman said:
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"
[...]

Good point. I suppose what he should have said is that if you are a monotheist then you are atheist with regards to all other possible gods but the one you subscribe to.

If you are Catholic then you only believe in the Judaic god Jehovah (YHWH) with added Jesus and Holy Spirit (so you get sort of three gods in one but it's really only the one, except the Jews haven't noticed that their G-D has Jesus in him) but you don't believe in Allah even though Allah is also the G-D of the Jews but called by the name that derives from the Aramaic name that Jesus used - "Eloi".

But nonetheless, the Greek, Roman, and Teutonic pantheons are nonsense to you not to mention all those gods in India.

It all amounts to a lot of bickering about which end you should crack your egg, and like Lilliput and Blefuscu it's all fiction - though, in this case, at least eggs are real.
 
metalman said:
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"
[...]

Good point. I suppose what he should have said is that if you are a monotheist then you are atheist with regards to all other possible gods but the one you subscribe to.

If you are Catholic then you only believe in the Judaic god Jehovah (YHWH) with added Jesus and Holy Spirit (so you get sort of three gods in one but it's really only the one, except the Jews haven't noticed that their G-D has Jesus in him) but you don't believe in Allah even though Allah is also the G-D of the Jews but called by the name that derives from the Aramaic name that Jesus used - "Eloi".

But nonetheless, the Greek, Roman, and Teutonic pantheons are nonsense to you not to mention all those gods in India.

It all amounts to a lot of bickering about which end you should crack your egg, and like Lilliput and Blefuscu it's all fiction - though, in this case, at least eggs are real.
 
metalman said:
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"
[...]

Good point. I suppose what he should have said is that if you are a monotheist then you are atheist with regards to all other possible gods but the one you subscribe to.

If you are Catholic then you only believe in the Judaic god Jehovah (YHWH) with added Jesus and Holy Spirit (so you get sort of three gods in one but it's really only the one, except the Jews haven't noticed that their G-D has Jesus in him) but you don't believe in Allah even though Allah is also the G-D of the Jews but called by the name that derives from the Aramaic name that Jesus used - "Eloi".

But nonetheless, the Greek, Roman, and Teutonic pantheons are nonsense to you not to mention all those gods in India.

It all amounts to a lot of bickering about which end you should crack your egg, and like Lilliput and Blefuscu it's all fiction - though, in this case, at least eggs are real.
 
metalman said:
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"
[...]

Good point. I suppose what he should have said is that if you are a monotheist then you are atheist with regards to all other possible gods but the one you subscribe to.

If you are Catholic then you only believe in the Judaic god Jehovah (YHWH) with added Jesus and Holy Spirit (so you get sort of three gods in one but it's really only the one, except the Jews haven't noticed that their G-D has Jesus in him) but you don't believe in Allah even though Allah is also the G-D of the Jews but called by the name that derives from the Aramaic name that Jesus used - "Eloi".

But nonetheless, the Greek, Roman, and Teutonic pantheons are nonsense to you not to mention all those gods in India.

It all amounts to a lot of bickering about which end you should crack your egg, and like Lilliput and Blefuscu it's all fiction - though, in this case, at least eggs are real.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
metalman said:
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"
[...]

Good point. I suppose what he should have said is that if you are a monotheist then you are atheist with regards to all other possible gods but the one you subscribe to.

Thank you both for the corrections.

I'd argue that my point still stands, though.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
metalman said:
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"
[...]

Good point. I suppose what he should have said is that if you are a monotheist then you are atheist with regards to all other possible gods but the one you subscribe to.

Thank you both for the corrections.

I'd argue that my point still stands, though.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
metalman said:
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"
[...]

Good point. I suppose what he should have said is that if you are a monotheist then you are atheist with regards to all other possible gods but the one you subscribe to.

Thank you both for the corrections.

I'd argue that my point still stands, though.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
metalman said:
Robert said:
Here is a hint:
If you are catholic, you are atheist - to all religions except catholicism.

Incorrect examples:

If you are Catholic, other X-tian religions are either heterodox, or heretic,

The Catholic Church considers the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox Churches "heterodox"
[...]

Good point. I suppose what he should have said is that if you are a monotheist then you are atheist with regards to all other possible gods but the one you subscribe to.

Thank you both for the corrections.

I'd argue that my point still stands, though.
 
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