Multiple vaccine doses have resulted in 145,000 child deaths in last 20 years

[redrumloa]

Upon analysis, the team found that the more vaccines a child receives during a single doctor visit, the more likely he or she is to suffer a severe reaction or even die. According to Heidi Stevenson from Gaia Health

"Our findings show a positive correlation between the number of vaccine doses administered and the percentage of hospitalizations and deaths reports to VAERS," wrote the authors in their conclusion. "In addition, younger infants were significantly more likely than older infants to be hospitalized or die after receiving vaccines. Since vaccines are administered to millions of infants every year, it is imperative that health authorities have scientific data from synergistic toxicity studies on all combinations of vaccines that infants are likely to receive."

You can view the complete results of the study in their entirety here: http://gaia-health.com

 

[Glaucus]

Basing a study on vaers is a problem. When I read your article the first thing that popped into my head (and should have popped into yours) is; how does that compare to a control group? Well, there isn't a control group. Right off the hop, this study becomes a joke. However, looking at wikipedia, vaers has more problems:

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System is a United States program for vaccine safety, co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS is a post-marketing safety surveillance program, collecting information about adverse events (possible side effects) that occur after administration of vaccines. VAERS has several limitations, including unverified reports, underreporting, inconsistent data quality, and absence of an unvaccinated control group.[1]

That last sentence is critical here. But in case you want more proof that VAERS is a bad source for a study, then let's see what VAERS has to say:

Many medical researchers make use of VAERS to study the effects of vaccination. VAERS warns researchers using its database that the data should not be used in isolation to draw conclusions about cause and effect.[2] Nonetheless, data from VAERS has been used in vaccine litigation to support the claim that vaccines cause autism.

So basically you can use this data to support whatever loony agenda you'd like.

Nice try Red. Once again you've demonstrated that you're anti-science, or at the very least, lack critical thinking skills.

 

[cecilia]

it's been a long time since I was a child but I certainly don't remember getting lots of shots.

"with as many as 9 vaccines given in one day" - which vaccines? for what? why so many?

and.....how do they know these children reacted from the shots? is it real or a coincidence?

 

[redrumloa]

Nice try Red. Once again you've demonstrated that you're anti-science, or at the very least, lack critical thinking skills.

YOU are the one about to put your child through a battery of vaccines. My kids are past that age. Things have changed greatly since our generation had vaccines and even since my kids had vaccines. I don't blind follow the herd and I'm the one lacking critical thinking skills? What harm I'd there posting a link for discussion? Sounds like the link touched a nerve.

 

[redrumloa]

it's been a long time since I was a child but I certainly don't remember getting lots of shots.

"with as many as 9 vaccines given in one day" - which vaccines? for what? why so many?

and.....how do they know these children reacted from the shots? is it real or a coincidence?

Things have changed greatly since you and I were kids. Don't be bullied by people like Mike and follow the herd. Do some research on your own and come to your own conclusions.

 

[redrumloa]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Explains Autism Coverup.

Vaccines are not safe, and the number of shots children are taking keeps increasing at a tremendous speed. This means huge profits for the big drug companies -- especially when parents are told that it is mandatory.

 

[Glaucus]

If vaccines cause problems of any kind it should be easy to prove that with real research. This crap you posted is not valid research and linking videos to autism experts a comedian and a playboy playmate is more baffling then useful. Sorry that I come across as an asshole, but I'm really annoyed with people using bad science to propagate a BS agenda. I have no reason to follow the herd Red, but I have no reason to follow the alarmists either.

 

[Wayne]

145,000 vaccine deaths... now, let's roll that into a comparison to gun-related deaths, and even pare it down to "assault weapon" deaths. Amazingly, I'd bet you that vaccine has killed more than scary-looking rifles...

 

[Glaucus]

145,000 vaccine deaths... now, let's roll that into a comparison to gun-related deaths, and even pare it down to "assault weapon" deaths. Amazingly, I'd bet you that vaccine has killed more than scary-looking rifles...

You look at a corpse and figure out pretty easily if it was a gun shot that lead to the persons death. It's not so easy with vaccines. People get the vaccine and shortly after get a cold and assume the vaccine was the cause, but that's probably just a coincidence. To understand vaccines you need proper research which involves experts in both medicine AND statistics, and perhaps a few other fields.

You might also want to read up on infant mortality rates and the historic rates of IMR and how it's changed over the years. Infant_mortality. You'll note that it has steadily gone down over the years. When things are getting better, I'm in the "don't fix what isn't broke" camp.

In the 1850s, the infant mortality rate in the United States was estimated at 216.8 per 1,000 babies born for whites and 340.0 per 1,000 for African Americans, but rates have significantly declined in the West in modern times. This declining rate has been mainly due to modern improvements in basic health care, technology, and medical advances.[65] In the last three decades, infant mortality overall has also decreased considerably. In the last century, the infant mortality rate has decreased by ninety-three percent.[7] Overall, the rates have decreased drastically from 20 deaths in 1970 to 6.9 deaths in 2003 (per every 1000 live births). In 2003, the leading causes of infant mortality in the United States were congenital anomalies, disorders related to immaturity, SIDS, and maternal complications. Babies born with low birth weight increased to 8.1 percent while cigarette smoking during pregnancy declined to 10.2 percent. This reflected the amount of low birth weights concluding that 12.4 percent of births from smokers were low birth weights opposing to 7.7 percent of such births from non-smokers.[66] According to the New York Times “the main reason for the high rate is preterm delivery, and there was a 10 percent increase in such births from 2000 to 2006”.

As you can see, the 145,000 child deaths due to vaccines gets harder and harder to believe. Smokers however should take note. The IMR would probably be even lower in the US if the US had socialized health care, bringing the IMR rates more inline with other Western nations.

 

[cecilia]

Things have changed greatly since you and I were kids. Don't be bullied by people like Mike and follow the herd. Do some research on your own and come to your own conclusions.

whoa, relax, there! I'm just asking questions.
and Mike wasn't bulling anyone, in my opinion.

you are just in love with your 'vaccines are Evil' idea

I haven't reached a conclusion - just looking for facts.

 

[redrumloa]

If vaccines cause problems of any kind it should be easy to prove that with real research. This crap you posted is not valid research and linking videos to autism experts a comedian and a playboy playmate is more baffling then useful. Sorry that I come across as an asshole, but I'm really annoyed with people using bad science to propagate a BS agenda. I have no reason to follow the herd Red, but I have no reason to follow the alarmists either.

You are the herd Mike, I am sorry to say. Your head is closed to new ideas. Do you know how much money and power is behind the current system? I post videos and you dismiss it because 2 celebrities are talking, yet you ignore what the doctors are saying? I could post videos of every day people saying the same thing, yet you would dismiss them as nobody. You claim there is no science behind the claims, yet you cherry pick what you want to reinforce your brick wall opinion.

If I were having children now, I would think hard and long before putting them through the modern vaccine regiment. 1 in 80 boys being born now will be diagnosed with autism, a disease that used to be so rare most doctors would never see an autistic person in their practice. This number is expected to go UP. Something is causing it and sticking your head in the sand does not help anything.

 

[redrumloa]

you are just in love with your 'vaccines are Evil' idea

Nope, never said they are evil. I will say they are unsafe, mainly because of all the crap added to them. The method of delivering in bunches is also suspect. The push to make vaccines mandatory is also troubling.

I want vaccines to be safe and optional.

 

[redrumloa]

Good Report backed by many doctors

 

[faethor]

145,000 vaccine deaths... now, let's roll that into a comparison to gun-related deaths, and even pare it down to "assault weapon" deaths. Amazingly, I'd bet you that vaccine has killed more than scary-looking rifles...

That's about 7K deaths per year from vaccinations. Compared to 30K deaths a year from guns. About 1-2% of that are from assault rifles.

But that is unfair we probably should be comparing MMR statistics against MMR vaccine statistics. For example 1 out of 1000 cases of Measles got encephalitis. Compare this to 1 out of 1,000,000 for people that receive the shot. In unvaccinated Africa they're seeing about 745K deaths from Measles each year. They're about 3x bigger than the USA. Just some quicky math - divide by 3 that'd be 248K deaths from Measles in the USA, assuming no vaccine. Instead we see about 7K. Sure there's some fine tuning in there but I think more than enough to say the vaccine puts us ahead of the game compared to not having it.

And, that's assuming the 145K were really from the vaccine. This appears to be a statistical analysis. I'd be interesting to review autopsy results and see what the evidence says.

 

[faethor]

Do you know how much money and power is behind the current system?

A couple points. If you really feel money corrupts then again we see you not living up to your proclaimed Libertarianism. And I doubt you've stopped shopping at Wal-Mart, with some the largest profits in the world they're the most corrupt right? ... Next, money is behind it. Take a look at Andrew Wakefield's action and how he tried to manipulate the system to deny Measles vaccines efficacy in hope to sell his own form of the vaccine.

And as for making money I think the companies would make more money without the vaccine. For example, about 1/2 dozen boys were admitted to the hospital with measles a few years back. They all lived but their average cost of care was over $10K. Now if we had the 240K number (see my previous post about African unvaccinated rate) 240K*10K is a huge amount of money the companies gave up.

If I were having children now, I would think hard and long before putting them through the modern vaccine regiment.

No problems here.

1 in 80 boys being born now will be diagnosed with autism, a disease that used to be so rare most doctors would never see an autistic person in their practice. This number is expected to go UP. Something is causing it and sticking your head in the sand does not help anything.

Something is causing Autism. That cause has not been identified. Vaccines are unproven to cause autism. The worst thing we can do is believe in a cause without the evidence. It stops people from looking from the cause. If that belief is wrong the result is an even greater amount of harm. Because it results in a greatly delayed identification of a known cause.

That problem has been actively demostrated by the anti-vaccers. They blamed Mercury for the cause. So after much fighting the government said {bleep} it we'll take out the mercury then those complainers will toddle-off. What was the result? The US Autism rate continues to increase. Europe, who removed mercury before the US, had Autism rates of increase similar to US, who had mercury. Instead of finding the true cause anti-vaccers pissed away time, money, and valuable efforts in the determination of the actual cause by incorrectly blaming Mercury.

I want vaccines to be safe and optional.

I'm all for the safest vaccines possible. Unfortunately the human body is very unlikely to comply with a 100% effective and a 100% safe vaccine. Optional? Again the way the human bodies work a herd immunity is necessary if we are to protect the weakest (new borns, elderly, sick) among us.

 

[Glaucus]

Faethor, wish I had your patience to sit down and respond in such a reasoned fashion. My hotheadedness probably does us all a disservice.

 

[faethor]

Thanks. It probably helped that I read it and didn't really have the time to respond for a couple of hours.

 

[redrumloa]

A couple points. If you really feel money corrupts then again we see you not living up to your proclaimed Libertarianism.

There you go again, so 2 can play that game. You are not living up to your Liberalism since you do not live in a mud hut with no electricity and no car while partial-birth aborting every pregnancy and smothering granny with a pillow when she gets too old.

FYI libertarians would want freedom of choice, not forced inoculations and government coercion.

And I doubt you've stopped shopping at Wal-Mart, with some the largest profits in the world they're the most corrupt right? ...

I don't shop at Walmart. Next.
(You really haven't been paying attention if you think I frequent Walmart)

 

[ilwrath]

Faethor, wish I had your patience to sit down and respond in such a reasoned fashion. My hotheadedness probably does us all a disservice.

It's tough to blame ya for that, though. When parenting choices are questioned, it pushes buttons. I know this one always twinges mine a bit, as well.

If I were having children now, I would think hard and long before putting them through the modern vaccine regiment. 1 in 80 boys being born now will be diagnosed with autism, a disease that used to be so rare most doctors would never see an autistic person in their practice. This number is expected to go UP. Something is causing it and sticking your head in the sand does not help anything.

I did have children now, and I did do a lot of research on vaccines, as well. I chose to go with the scientists and have the vaccinations.

If there's one group sticking their collective heads in the sand, it's the Anti-Vaccine movement, not the scientists. If there were ANY correlation between vaccines and autism and the other problems listed... Don't you think it would be reflected in at least one actually reputable study? The simple fact of the matter is there are absolutely no real studies from any country, financed by any group, trying to forward any agenda, that show vaccines are causing these problems.

Think about that for a minute. There are zip, zero, zilch, nada, nil documented connections. This looks like superstition, nothing more. But I totally see why so many celebrities and common people totally believe there is a connection. The power of superstition has an amazing affect on behavior. The Red Wings are 0-6 in playoff games I've watched at the Joe Vision, while they are 150-103, overall in playoff games during that time. While I absolutely know there is no connection.... Think I go to the Joe Vision, anymore?

 

[cecilia]

Nope, never said they are evil. I will say they are unsafe, mainly because of all the crap added to them. The method of delivering in bunches is also suspect. The push to make vaccines mandatory is also troubling.

I want vaccines to be safe and optional.

who doesn't?

I looked at your 1st link which directed me to 2 other links teasing me with claims of REAL studies...I found nothing that had real facts or made sense.
sure, I don't understand the vaccinating with a whole bunch at a time deal, but it may mean nothing. I have to see facts 1st, and actors (while talented in some areas) are not scientists or doctors.

my mother's doctor is quite conservative - and I don't mean in the political sense. He doesn't hand out drugs unless it's absolutely necessary. I asked my mom and aunt if in all the years they have been getting flu shots if they ever had a reaction. My aunt recalls once her arm felt odd for a day but that seems to be it. They are both in the category that 'should' get a flu shot. At no time has the doctor asked ME if I wanted a shot.
Any doctor that tries to sell anyone on something unasked for or unwanted should be avoided.