Official Hate Crime Thread - Vol1

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find some people in the black communities you can talk to (you may have to settle for some socialisty liberal types)
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Vancouver BC demographics
African origins - 1.08%

That explains a lot.
 
redrumloa said:
Vancouver BC demographics
African origins - 1.08%

That explains a lot.
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Sure, but we are 20% Chinese and nearly 9% East Indian and ... oh, wait. I see where you're going. We don't have to worry about racial tension here because our minority races aren't black. Now that it's been explained it makes so much more sense - and people have been saying you were being racist - imagine!
 
redrumloa said:
You infered all this by me posting links to a few instances of hate crimes because the perps were black.
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Yes. Now tell me - how, in the fantasy that was playing in your head when you started this, did you THINK it was going to go?
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Yes. Now tell me - how, in the fantasy that was playing in your head when you started this, did you THINK it was going to go?
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That's not the question. The question is, how SHOULD it have gone?

I made no derogatory remarks about African-americans. All I did was provide a couple links and several heads exploded screaming "RACIST!".
 
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redrumloa said:
All I did was provide a couple links and several heads exploded screaming "RACIST!".
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But why did you post them and why those particular links? Bare in mind the context in which you posted them where you and metalman had been giving the impression that you felt the reason it was OK for Zimmerman to follow and ultimately shoot Martin was because Trayvon was a scumbag who pretty much deserved to get killed (even before Zimmerman came across him).
Can you now tell us why you posted these particular links and let us in on what sort of point you thought you were making.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
But why did you post them and why those particular links? Bare in mind the context in which you posted them where you and metalman had been giving the impression that you felt the reason it was OK for Zimmerman to follow and ultimately shoot Martin was because Trayvon was a scumbag who pretty much deserved to get killed
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Martin didn't live there, Martin was walking around casing the neighborhood, Zimmerman called police about a suspicious acting person. Martin doubled back to attack Zimmerman, and according to eyewitness testimony, was giving him a MMA beatdown
 
metalman said:
Martin didn't live there,
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Yes but unimportant. There's no law that says you can only walk down streets where you live.
Martin was walking around casing the neighborhood,
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That's an unproven claim. It appears Martin, along with his Dad, were staying at the Dad's Finance's house. If that's true the path Martin was on was between that Girlfriend's house where Martin would be living staying and the store where he had just legally purchased a snack.

Zimmerman called police about a suspicious acting person.
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Zimmerman was not trained to identify suspect behavior or how to properly engage. Whatever was determined here Zimmerman was asked by the Police to cease and desist from his following of Martin.

Martin doubled back to attack Zimmerman, and according to eyewitness testimony, was giving him a MMA beatdown
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Definitely wrong to attack another person, but definitely not the equivalent of killing another.
 
faethor said:
Yes but unimportant. There's no law that says you can only walk down streets where you live.
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No law that says you can beat someone up for watching you


Zimmerman was not trained to identify suspect behavior or how to properly engage. Whatever was determined here Zimmerman was asked by the Police to cease and desist from his following of Martin.
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Must be nice to live in your little enclave where you never have any suspicious people
Police didn't show up until afterwards, have no authority until actually on scene

Definitely wrong to attack another person, but definitely not the equivalent of killing another.
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Banging someones head against the concrete is indication of trying to kill them
 
metalman said:
No law that says you can beat someone up for watching you
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However, if you are feeling threatened because someone you don't know in a part of town you're less familar with is following if not stalking you, there is self defense arguments that fall into play.

However, I find your response to be off the direction of the post. You stated he didn't live in the town. I stated there are no laws against that. The response you have really doesn't fit anywhere in that thread.

Must be nice to live in your little enclave where you never have any suspicious people
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Yes I live in the 80%+ or better of the USA where that's the case. Must be nice that you live in an area that no matter what one suspects other people of doing the one that's suspicious is always right.

Police didn't show up until afterwards, have no authority until actually on scene
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Had Zimmerman heeded the advice of the professionals, it'd be unlikely the police would be needed at all.

Banging someones head against the concrete is indication of trying to kill them
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Zimmerman trial had witnesses saying this was true, and others saying it was not true. The experts could not verify it was true. But, the medical examiner said the injuries on Zimmerman's head were not in anyway life threatening. So, if Martin was trying to kill him the job was rather poor and probably wouldn't have had the desired outcome..
 
i love my "enclave" not only do i get the most beautiful mariachi music live on friday nights i get woolly bully at 2 am....:D 4 hrs of free music i do not have to pay for, or haff to pay 4 or half to pay $4$ (dollar dollar bill yo')... however the youngins are butcherin it these days... i'm going on hot air balloon ride in the springs tomorrow... the race hatin and baitin gonna have (jesus theres that word again) to wait until somewhere... well.... after beautiful time... lol... red... my heart is saddened for you... just saddened.... you could be sooo much more... make story end otherwise... or make baby jesus sad... :(
 
metalman said:
Banging someones head against the concrete is indication of trying to kill them
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But is legal if you think the other person is trying to kill you - Martin also has the right to stand your ground and if he had a weapon and shot Zimmerman he could have argued that right in court - because he'd be alive instead of Zimmerman. The difference would have been that Martin would have been arrested and charged immediately - Zimmerman wasn't until after. Neither Martin nor Zimmerman were in their home. Both men were acting suspiciously from each other's point of view and Trayvon would certainly have had the right to defend himself against a man with a gun especially if the law does not require a person to first attempt to flee.
 
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