Palin VP?

[FluffyMcDeath]

Then there's the witch hunter that prayed Palin into the governors office. That's pretty sane sounding.

 

[redrumloa]

Cindy McCain's $300K Outfit

No $300,000 dress. I see Three-carat diamond earrings, far from a dress. I also see.

(All prices except Laura’s shoes and Cindy’s watch are estimates, and the jewelry prices are based on the assumption that the pieces are real.)

So it could be $1 Walmart costume jewelry too. Article smacks of a liberal hit piece.

 

[metalman]

Pontius Pilatee was a "Praefectus " (magistrate) , Matthew was a Democrat before turning from his sins as a tax collector, and Barabbas was an "Alinsky community organizer"

WTF metalman gone off the deep end?

RE Palin: Jesus was a community organizer. Pontius Pilatee and Herod had actual responsibilities.

well at least you agree that Obama has never had any "actual responsibilities". :roflmao:

“Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor”. It is such an absurd statement that one would think no one would actually attempt to use it as an campaign talking point.

Numerous Democrat Obama supporters have repeated the quote:
including Tennessee Rep. Steve Cohen (D) from the floor of the House

“In theory, community organizing provides a way to merge various strategies for neighborhood empowerment. Organizing begins with the premise that (1) the problems facing inner-city communities do not result from a lack of effective solutions, but from a lack of power to implement these solutions; (2) that the only way for communities to build long-term power is by organizing people and money around a common vision; and (3) that a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly based indigenous leadership — and not one or two charismatic leaders — can knit together the diverse interests of their local institutions.

This means bringing together churches, block clubs, parent groups and any other institutions in a given community to pay dues, hire organizers, conduct research, develop leadership, hold rallies and education cam­paigns, and begin drawing up plans on a whole range of issues — jobs, education, crime, etc. Once such a vehicle is formed, it holds the power to make politicians, agencies and corporations more responsive to commu­nity needs. Equally important, it enables people to break their crippling isolation from each other, to reshape their mutual values and expectations and rediscover the possibilities of acting collaboratively — the prerequi­sites of any successful self-help initiative.”

Obama "The Messiah" specifically states that community organizing cannot be based upon “one or two charismatic leaders”. Jesus’ ministry was as a charismatic leader based on his claim to be the “only begotten Son of God”. Jesus message was focused on the Kingdom of Heaven, and afterlife, not on worldly political gains.

Barabbas led an revolt against the Roman “oppressors” . Barrabas identified the needs of the community, ie. that they were politically oppressed, organized a response, i.e. an insurrection, which certainly included “the possibilities of acting collectively”. That would make him the ideal representative of a "community organizer".

 

[faethor]

Cindy McCain's $300K Outfit

No $300,000 dress. I see Three-carat diamond earrings, far from a dress. I also see.

(All prices except Laura’s shoes and Cindy’s watch are estimates, and the jewelry prices are based on the assumption that the pieces are real.)

So it could be $1 Walmart costume jewelry too. Article smacks of a liberal hit piece.

Red really. The beer heiress worth multimillion dollars is going to wear costume jewelry? I expect Vanity Fair to know fashion afterall that's one of the reasons they have a magazine.

 

[faethor]

well at least you agree that Obama has never had any "actual responsibilities". :roflmao:

Teaching constitutional law I'd expect him to not pull a Palin and answer it's legal until the courts disallow it. 7 years in the Illinois Senate. 4 years in the US Congress. Serving in committees -- Foreign Relations, Veteran Affairs, Public Works, health and education. Sure he played the political game and didn't vote yes or no. (McCain didn't bother to show up to vote 65% of the time.) Certainly more federal experience then GWB had. He actually has more experience then Abe Lincoln before his first term.

Jesus’ ministry was as a charismatic leader based on his claim to be the “only begotten Son of God”. Jesus message was focused on the Kingdom of Heaven, and afterlife, not on worldly political gains.

Yet influenced the commmunity by supporting the least in the community. IMO the association of Obama = Christ is done because it offends the Christians, especially that a black man might be associated with good works.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

IMO the association of Obama = Christ is done because it offends the Christians, especially that a black man might be associated with good works.

Erm, that's not "The One" they are referring to. This is a coded message to their particular brand of Christian that makes up the religious tranche of the base.

 

[faethor]

Fluffy

You're likely right. Even a step lower than I give them credit for.

 

[the_leander]

Fluffy

You're likely right. Even a step lower than I give them credit for.

Having watched carefully the reactions of some of these hard line "christians" in places like Rapture Ready and similar, the consensus amongst the denizens of these places, is that Obama is (wait for it) a Muslim Jewish Antichrist, or variations on that theme.

It's reading things like the above that makes me wonder how the hell these people manage to get online.

Funnily enough I stopped giving them any credit a long time ago. It seems for a great many people, christianity is just a word used to justify their own bigottry.

 

[metalman]

well at least you agree that Obama has never had any "actual responsibilities". :roflmao:

7 years in the Illinois Senate. 4 years in the US Congress. Serving in committees -- Foreign Relations, Veteran Affairs, Public Works, health and education. Sure he played the political game and didn't vote yes or no. (McCain didn't bother to show up to vote 65% of the time.) Certainly more federal experience then GWB had.

FYI: Chief executive positions have "actual responsibilities".

Jesus’ ministry was as a charismatic leader based on his claim to be the “only begotten Son of God”. Jesus message was focused on the Kingdom of Heaven, and afterlife, not on worldly political gains.

Yet influenced the commmunity by supporting the least in the community. IMO the association of Obama = Christ is done because it offends the Christians, especially that a black man might be associated with good works.

It's Obama supporters who are using the Jesus slogan. :roflmao:

 

[faethor]

FYI: Chief executive positions have "actual responsibilities".

Strawman no one said they didn't.

It's Obama supporters who are using the Jesus slogan.

I guess you missed this McCain video :roll: Oh and some of the debate it caused. Readers of that last link can follow the links on the bottom to articles showing right-wing spin meisters linking Obama to the Anti-Christ. Certainly Republicans are injecting religion the fault isn't 100% Democrats.

 

[metalman]

It's Obama supporters who are using the Jesus slogan.

I guess you missed this McCain video :roll:

Mocking the Messiah's own words and image. Obama was being parodied for his Messiah image for months, before the McCain ad ran. :roflmao:

It goes back to this article written by a Obama supporter (e.g. "unbiased non-partisan reporter") June 6, 2008:
Is Obama an enlightened being?

It lead to numerous Messiah parodies, this one the best:
Barack Obama: The Child - The Messiah - The Obamessiah
Source: He ventured forth to bring light to the world, Gerard Baker,
Times of London, July 25th, 2008


The Obama prayer:
Obama hear our prayers.
In the name of Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, the Weather Underground and all the saints & anarchist's, we pray.

Our Obama, who art in Washington,
Hope be thy motto,
Thy utopia to come,
Thy Legislation be done,
In Washington, as it is in Chicago,
Give us this day, our daily gas ration,
As we repent for our carbon addiction.
As we forgive those who don't properly inflate their tires.
Lead us not into self reliance,
But Deliver us from the evil that is George Bush,
and Damn all those racist bastards who won't vote for Barack,
For thine is the money, the power, and the Democratic party,
For eight or ten years, in the 57 states he visited,
Obamagasm,
Amen

 

[cecilia]

It seems for a great many people, christianity is just a word used to justify their own bigottry.

truer words were never spoken!

I'm stealing them, if you dont mind

 

[faethor]

Mocking the Messiah's own words and image. Obama was being parodied for his Messiah image for months, before the McCain ad ran.

Skipped over that other link that explains why there was problems with it. The Obama Savior is a Republican created meme. No liberal I know calls Obama a Messiah. Listening to left wing radio, Air America, I can't think of a time where they did a serious association with the Messiah. Besides Liberals are all godless so comparing him to the Messiah wouldn't help.

It goes back to this article written by a Obama supporter (e.g. "unbiased non-partisan reporter") June 6, 2008:
Is Obama an enlightened being?

"Obama is really a dangerously elitist political salesman whose inexperience " -- So the Republican answer is to front a bigger elitist w/ the 2nd string even more inexperienced?

A recent email is going on about how to define Elitism...
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you’re ‘exotic, different.’
Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
If your name is Barack you’re a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Name your kids Willow, Trig, and Track; you’re a maverick.
Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you’re well grounded

If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any real leadership experience.

If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council, 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, and 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you’re qualified to become the country’s second highest ranking executive.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re not a real Christian. If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you’re a Christian.

...It goes on but I won't post it all...

 

[metalman]

Mocking the Messiah's own words and image. Obama was being parodied for his Messiah image for months, before the McCain ad ran.

The Obama Savior is a Republican created meme. No liberal I know calls Obama a Messiah. Listening to left wing radio, Air America, I can't think of a time where they did a serious association with the Messiah. Besides Liberals are all godless so comparing him to the Messiah wouldn't help.

FYI: Messiah is a mocking term for the "The One". Obama's campaign stops that have been like a "New Age" religious traveling salvation show.

e.g. "The One, you've been waiting for" "Lightworker" "New Age enlightened being" Swooning women fainting for Obama "Speaking from the Temple"

If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any real leadership experience.

You didn't mention the Obama's work as a community organizer was for ACORN. Obama was advising ACORN on how to fraudulently register voters, and stop requirements for voter ID. ACORN has been implicated in fraudulent voter registration, vote-rigging, voter intimidation, and vote-for-pay scams in every election it has been involved.

and you left out Bill "a guy who lives in my neighborhood" Ayers , Obama's partner in a $50 million charitable project called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, where he funneled money to ACORN. The ACORN who's members have then "volunteer" in each of Mr. Obama's campaigns.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re not a real Christian.

The "Trinity United Church of Christ" has very little in common with the teachings of mainstream Protestant churches, but very much in common with the teachings of Louis Farrakhan, who the church honored with its "Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer” Award" in 2007.

Trinity United Church of Christ = Black Liberation Theology = Marxist Victimology

 

[faethor]

FYI: Messiah is a mocking term for the "The One". Obama's campaign stops that have been like a "New Age" religious traveling salvation show.

Okay and unlike what you claimed before that Dems were calling him the savior I think this illustrates against your point. While the show might be observed as some to be religious revival-like in nature no one is calling him a savior. Calling Obama the choosen one is a right-wing tactic to associate him in bad light.

You didn't mention the Obama's work as a community organizer was for ACORN. Obama was advising ACORN on how to fraudulently register voters, and stop requirements for voter ID. ACORN has been implicated in fraudulent voter registration, vote-rigging, voter intimidation, and vote-for-pay scams in every election it has been involved.

The question here is what is Obama's relationship. Looking for this fraud it appears to have been in 2004. I believe Obama's relationship was prior to the event? Also the accused (but not convicted) rigging occurred in Michigan. Wasn't Obama working for a registration in Illinois?

and you left out Bill "a guy who lives in my neighborhood" Ayers , Obama's partner in a $50 million charitable project called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, where he funneled money to ACORN. The ACORN who's members have then "volunteer" in each of Mr. Obama's campaigns.

If you're comparing evils to evils then for McCain wins with 7 lobbists, 2 paid by Fannie & Freddie, running his campaign.

The "Trinity United Church of Christ" has very little in common with the teachings of mainstream Protestant churches, but very much in common with the teachings of Louis Farrakhan, who the church honored with its "Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer” Award" in 2007.

Hey you caught the point. Clearly he's the wrong kind of Christian because Obama might not use the cross to as a shield as an excuse to discriminate against other faiths.

Again if you're looking for family values we have McCain's affair vs Obama's 19 year marraige. It definitely is noticeable that the Republican's don't be calling out 'family values' this year. Obama should be smart enough to call this out.

 

[metalman]

The "Trinity United Church of Christ" has very little in common with the teachings of mainstream Protestant churches, but very much in common with the teachings of Louis Farrakhan, who the church honored with its "Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer” Award" in 2007.

Hey you caught the point. Clearly he's the wrong kind of Christian because Obama might not use the cross to as a shield as an excuse to discriminate against other faiths.

The "Trinity United Church of Christ" is not a Christian church, just as the "Nation of Islam", "Unitarian Universal", "Jehovah's Witnesses" or "Christian Science" are not considered Christian.

It wouldn't matter to the "Trinity United Church of Christ" members if they "prayed" in front of a cross, crescent moon and star, or the hammer and sickle.

 

[metalman]

FYI: Messiah is a mocking term for the "The One". Obama's campaign stops that have been like a "New Age" religious traveling salvation show.

Okay and unlike what you claimed before that Dems were calling him the savior I think this illustrates against your point. While the show might be observed as some to be religious revival-like in nature no one is calling him a savior. Calling Obama the choosen one is a right-wing tactic to associate him in bad light.

Obama's speeches simply substitute "a social responsibility gospel" for a "salvation gospel" . The phrases and symbolism Obama uses are of New Age religious rhetoric. "He's 'The ONE' you've been waiting for"

Paraphrasing New Age Religious rhetoric :
"The whole world is in a complete mess. Unless we adopt some radical new solutions to the problems that confront us, mankind is doomed to destruction. We have ruined our environment and polluted Mother Earth. We must end our carbon addiction. Man's greed, and lust for power, which are manifested through the capitalist corporations he has created, are to blame ... BUT ... there is a way out ..."

... vote for Obama "The One" (implied as "the savior")

 

[faethor]

Paraphrasing New Age Religious rhetoric :
"The whole world is in a complete mess. Unless we adopt some radical new solutions to the problems that confront us, mankind is doomed to destruction. We have ruined our environment and polluted Mother Earth. We must end our carbon addiction. Man's greed, and lust for power, which are manifested through the capitalist corporations he has created, are to blame ... BUT ... there is a way out ..."

Yup you're right unregulated capitalism isn't a problem other than a 700,000,000,000 dollar problem. :roll:

 

[faethor]

The "Trinity United Church of Christ" is not a Christian church, just as the "Nation of Islam", "Unitarian Universal", "Jehovah's Witnesses" or "Christian Science" are not considered Christian.

Jehovah's Witness are Christian. They're not Paul derived such as mainstream Christian churches. They're just the wrong kind of Christian, so wrong that Christians are willing to discriminate against them and exclude them from their faith. Jehovah's Witness even share the love of selectively using passages of the old testament to hate gays, for example.

It wouldn't matter to the "Trinity United Church of Christ" members if they "prayed" in front of a cross, crescent moon and star, or the hammer and sickle.

So you claim. :roll: Of course the fault here lies in the unstated premise that a man's church is the whole of his philosophy. From what I've observed as one moves across the spectrum from liberal to conservative religions that becomes more true.

 

[faethor]

The "Trinity United Church of Christ" is not a Christian church, just as the "Nation of Islam", "Unitarian Universal", "Jehovah's Witnesses" or "Christian Science" are not considered Christian.

Jehovah's Witness are Christian. They're not Paul derived such as mainstream Christian churches. They're just the wrong kind of Christian, so wrong that Christians are willing to discriminate against them and exclude them from their faith. Mainstream Christians are Paul dervived. Both Paul and John Smith never met Christ just heard his word.

It wouldn't matter to the "Trinity United Church of Christ" members if they "prayed" in front of a cross, crescent moon and star, or the hammer and sickle.

So you claim. :roll: