Racist quote from a Ron Paul supporter

[FluffyMcDeath]

Sociopathic personalities are drawn to atheism because it has no doctrine or creed to interfere with their own ego.

Actually sociopathic and psychopathic individuals are more likely to identify themselves as religious because they will happily ignore any given rule set that gets in their way but they know that people are more likely to trust them and give them what they want if they claim to be religious.

Plus, if you have religion then you can get forgiven by "god" instead of having to actually atone and get forgiveness from your victim.

 

[metalman]

Actually sociopathic and psychopathic individuals are more likely to identify themselves as religious because they will happily ignore any given rule set that gets in their way but they know that people are more likely to trust them and give them what they want if they claim to be religious.

Plus, if you have religion then you can get forgiven by "god" instead of having to actually atone and get forgiveness from your victim.

Sociopaths lack empathy. They are also charming and manipulative. They make good used-car salesmen, con men, thieves, politicians, and dictators. Inspired by self interest ... they'll show whatever facade allows them to achieve their manipulative ends ... religious or secular.

They would have to do some serious religious "shopping" to get off the hook of God's eternal damnation, so why bother, go right to atheism, "no god" "no consequences!"

 

[Robert]

If you want to live the hedonistic lifestyle of Marquis de Sade, a "belief in God's judgment against the wicked?" is a big downer

Want has nothing to do with it. I want Santa to be real but I can no more will myself to believe that than any other extraordinary claim.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

They are also charming and manipulative. They make good used-car salesmen, con men, thieves, politicians, and dictators. Inspired by self interest ... they'll show whatever facade allows them to achieve their manipulative ends ... religious or secular.

Therefore they usually claim to be Christian in Christian countries - and not just Christian but the most God-fearing among the flock.

They would have to do some serious religious "shopping" to get off the hook of God's eternal damnation, so why bother, go right to atheism, "no god" "no consequences!"

Not really. They just need to feel that the other guy deserved it or simply believe that God is on their side - this is how non-sociopathic people can become sociopathic by adopting religion. It justifies what they were want to do anyway.

 

[metalman]

Want has nothing to do with it. I want Santa to be real but I can no more will myself to believe that than any other extraordinary claim.

The idea of God is the sole wrong for which I cannot forgive mankind.

Get it into your head once and for all, my simple and very fainthearted fellow, that what fools call humanness is nothing but a weakness born of fear and egoism; that this chimerical virtue, enslaving only weak men, is unknown to those whose character is formed by stoicism, courage, and philosophy.--Marquis de Sade

There is no god​

Therefore, there is no reward for living a virtuous life or eternal punishment for living a sinful one​

Therefore, do anything that causes you pleasure​

Therefore, as long as you can avoid punishment in this world​

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

There is no god​

Therefore, there is no reward for living a virtuous life or eternal punishment for living a sinful one​

Therefore, do anything that causes you pleasure​

Therefore, as long as you can avoid punishment in this world​

Therefore so long as you trust people who say they believe in god then you will trust people who are sociopaths - who know how to manipulate you. You are basically a sucker. Even religious people know there is no life after this life - that's why they thank God for saving their lives.

 

[Robert]

There is no god​

Therefore, there is no reward for living a virtuous life or eternal punishment for living a sinful one​

Therefore, do anything that causes you pleasure​

Therefore, as long as you can avoid punishment in this world​

I suppose it's not that surprising that you think I can make myself believe in nonsense simply by willing it, given that this thread is a demonstration of how much you want to believe that all atheists arte sociopaths and these posts are a transparent attempt to convince yourself.

 

[faethor]

Sociopaths lack empathy. They are also charming and manipulative. They make good used-car salesmen, con men, thieves, politicians, and dictators. Inspired by self interest ... they'll show whatever facade allows them to achieve their manipulative ends ... religious or secular.

Glad you included religion here. If Sociopaths are attracted to either then it's cleary not a unique property of atheism. Most of the atheists I know aren't the selfish nihlists you describe. But, there are a few. They tend to be Atheists who are also Libertarians.

As you included hedonism as being Atheist do you realize there are Christian Hedonists? Also, there is a group of Christians that measure their favor from God by how much they're worth.

If you're counting headcount from serial killers I'd include Jim Jones, Marshall Applegate, and the Saudi's who drove into the WTC in that mix of 'serial' killers. But even here 'atheists' aren't the only serial killers. Son of Sam claimed to be a born-again christian, for example.

They would have to do some serious religious "shopping" to get off the hook of God's eternal damnation, so why bother, go right to atheism, "no god" "no consequences!"

God's blessing is easy. (1) Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. (2) Realize you're a sinner and ask for forgiveness. Done! If a sociopath is deluded it's fairly easy for them to accept they're sinners in their heart and project that everyone else is too so it doesn't matter.

 

[metalman]

I suppose it's not that surprising that you think I can make myself believe in nonsense simply by willing it, given that this thread is a demonstration of how much you want to believe that all atheists arte sociopaths and these posts are a transparent attempt to convince yourself.

I've made no assertions that "god is real ", that is irrelevant

I've simply stated in logical form atheist moral nihilism

Atheism has no moral rules to constrain sociopaths

Acceptance of a religion comes with acceptance of the specific "morality rules" that come with each specific religion. Muslims make this very clear, they "submit" to the morality rules of God, as stated in the Quran. Religion is in psychological terms submitting your ego to a higher judgment, and constraining nihilistic and sociopathic tendencies in society.

 

[robert l. bentham]

atheist = sociopath ?

 

[metalman]

Glad you included religion here. If Sociopaths are attracted to either then it's cleary not a unique property of atheism. Most of the atheists I know aren't the selfish nihlists you describe. But, there are a few. They tend to be Atheists who are also Libertarians.

Atheism has no moral rules to constrain sociopaths

As you included hedonism as being Atheist do you realize there are Christian Hedonists? Also, there is a group of Christians that measure their favor from God by how much they're worth.

interesting, more info
All religions are not equal, their rules are not necessarily beneficial to society

If you're counting headcount from serial killers I'd include Jim Jones, Marshall Applegate, and the Saudi's who drove into the WTC in that mix of 'serial' killers. But even here 'atheists' aren't the only serial killers. Son of Sam claimed to be a born-again christian, for example.

Jim Jone a psychopath who started his own religious cult
Marshall Applegate a psychopathic leader of Heavens Gate
Al Qaeda are religious followers who took a short cut to receive "gods eternal reward"
Berkowitz claimed that he was commanded to kill by a demon who possessed his neighbor's dog
Berkowitz became a born again Christian in prison (1987)

God's blessing is easy. (1) Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. (2) Realize you're a sinner and ask for forgiveness. Done! If a sociopath is deluded it's fairly easy for them to accept they're sinners in their heart and project that everyone else is too so it doesn't matter.

Which Denomination is this?
They would have to be a heretical sect, because it would be in violation of canonical scripture.
Christian religions also require step (3) atonement for sins
Sounds like your paraphrasing evangelicals

 

[Robert]

I've made no assertions that "god is real ", that is irrelevant

Perhaps but what you seem to be implying is that all atheists are sociopathic.

Is that what you mean or is it not?

 

[Robert]

atheist = sociopath ?

Apparently.

 

[faethor]

Atheism has no moral rules to constrain sociopaths

As Atheism is the rejections of Gods and comes with no sort of moral rules this is true. It is also true that Atheism has no moral rules to encourage sociopaths, as it has no moral rules.

All religions are not equal, their rules are not necessarily beneficial to society

In fact they can be downright harmful to society. As believers kill each other of other faiths, kill others of differing denominations, and kill their own followers. Turns out religion itself can be sociopathic.

Thanks for the further info that what I cited were indeed types of religions in action that failed to constrain sociopaths and instead encouraged them.

Which Denomination is this?
They would have to be a heretical sect, because it would be in violation of canonical scripture.
Christian religions also require step (3) atonement for sins
Sounds like your paraphrasing evangelicals

Jesus Christ's death on the cross atoned for the sins of the world. No one may know the Father but through the Son. So really (3) is covered in my previous (1). While yes different Christian denominations have slightly different need the shopping is not as difficult as you tried to make it sound.

Which reminds me... Best present from my wife today 'God is not Great' by Hitchens. Can't wait to dig in.

 

[metalman]

Perhaps but what you seem to be implying is that all atheists are sociopathic.

that would depend on whether they're "true scotsmen"

 

[metalman]

As Atheism is the rejections of Gods and comes with no sort of moral rules this is true. It is also true that Atheism has no moral rules to encourage sociopaths, as it has no moral rules.

it also has no moral rules to discourage sociopaths.

In fact they can be downright harmful to society. As believers kill each other of other faiths, kill others of differing denominations, and kill their own followers. Turns out religion itself can be sociopathic.

Thanks for the further info that what I cited were indeed types of religions in action that failed to constrain sociopaths and instead encouraged them.

you cited cults lead by sociopaths, and a psychopathic serial killer who would be an example of someone who in embracing religion has accepted the moral rules of his religion, and accepted his punishment (not that I would ever recommend he be set free)

A cult is not a religion, some cults e.g. $cientology have transitioned from cult to religion.

Jesus Christ's death on the cross atoned for the sins of the world. No one may know the Father but through the Son. So really (3) is covered in my previous (1). While yes different Christian denominations have slightly different need the shopping is not as difficult as you tried to make it sound.

Orthodox and Roman Catholic dogma and later Protestant dogma teaches a distinction between "mortal" and "venial" sins and whether your punished in purgatory or forever in hell. Committing a mortal sin gets you the ticket to hell, but accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior gets you a glass of ice water in hell on church holidays, or something like that. I guess by tradition the drink would be vinegar soaked in a sponge.

 

[cecilia]

I see some morons don't understand what Atheism is.

I'll be sure to tell all those pedophile priests who have ruined the lives of countless children how THEY are ethical but I am not just because religion gets a Pass in the logic dept.

Atheism has nothing whatsoever to do with ethics. I am ethical because i was raised by intelligent, educated people to not only think for myself but to actually THINK.

I am ethical because it is the logical way to live, not because I 'fear' some make-believe creepy guy in the sky. And that bullshit that religion 'forces' people to be ethical!!!! WOW !!!!

That has me rolling!

If that was the case than why do I see tons of examples of evil doing bastards dressed in the robes of their religion?

The worse examples of evil are wearing the garments of religion. Hitler - psychopathic Catholic - being one of the more recent examples. Here is someone who successfully encouraged jealousy and an accelerating contest in torture and death by his followers so they could prove their loyalty to him. He found and encouraged madness in others. And controlled them by creating a political religion.

When I talk to atheists I see people who have NO interest in gaining power over others, bulling others or 'taking' over the world. All they wish to do is live their lives in peace.

 

[faethor]

it also has no moral rules to discourage sociopaths

It also has no moral rules to encourage sociopaths. Again Atheism has no moral dictates. It's equally fair to say the disbelief in Bigfoot has no moral rules to discourage sociopaths.

A cult is not a religion, some cults e.g. $cientology have transitioned from cult to religion.

A religion is a group of people that adhere to a particular set of beliefs and practices. A cult has a particular set of beliefs and practices and therefore are a religion.

You sited Roman Catholism so perhaps you're looking for some more mainstream examples? We can use that to review. There's deaths of other religions, Crusades and Africa are examples. There's deaths of other sects, such the Catholics vs Protestants in Ireland. There's deaths of Catholics, such as when babys were bashed against the wall to get into heaven quicker. And of course the abhorant sexual practices of systematically molesting children and preventing condom use. Not only are sociopaths attracted but I'd argue the religion itself is sociopathic.

Orthodox and Roman Catholic dogma and later Protestant dogma teaches a distinction between "mortal" and "venial" sins and whether your punished in purgatory or forever in hell. Committing a mortal sin gets you the ticket to hell, but accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior gets you a glass of ice water in hell on church holidays, or something like that. I guess by tradition the drink would be vinegar soaked in a sponge.

Being raised and educated Lutheran for the first half of my life I can say they don't have purgatory. Like Heidi Klum says 'you're in or you're out'. In this sect the greatest sin is failing to accept God, it's unforgiveable. All other sins are sins and God hates them equally.

 

[faethor]

I see some morons don't understand what Atheism is.

Unfortunately it's a very common problem in the US. In many polls atheists were under Islam, even proximal to 9/11, of the most feared in society.

I am ethical because it is the logical way to live, not because I 'fear' some make-believe creepy guy in the sky. And that bullshit that religion 'forces' people to be ethical!!!! WOW !!!!

And that's exactly it. The Atheist's actions are more honest. They are doing it because they think it's the best way for themselves and society. The religious actions always in part are due to avoiding punishment, hell, or gaining reward, heaven. It's clear morality is losely related to religion but does clearly not have to derive from it. Even religion changes it's morals - look at the history of women for one good example.

 

[cecilia]

Unfortunately it's a very common problem in the US. In many polls atheists were under Islam, even proximal to 9/11, of the most feared in society.

yes, but the good news is that more of us are speaking out and we are gaining in %'s.