Racist quote from a Ron Paul supporter

[cecilia]

 

[redrumloa]

Shouldn't the name of this topic be changed to

Racist quote from a candidate for the Democratic Party.

"My sincere apologies for deeming this man as a Tea Party politician, when in fact, he previously campaigned as a Libertarian. And now, he claims to be a Democrat advocating for tax revenue which he recently was solidly against. Yes, he is a politician alright — and now, it appears he’s a Democrat. Oh God, please no!"

I love it when Democrats piss down their own leg!

Usually happens as they shoot from the hip with emotions, facts be damned.

 

[faethor]

@cecilia
If you were to follow the New Testament you'd realize that it's immoral for a woman to say such things, especially without your head covered. I'm coming over to shave your head.

 

[cecilia]

feh

 

[robert l. bentham]

people only behave when they are threatened.

 

[robert l. bentham]

A man of honour should never forget what he is because he sees what others are.​

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Baltasar Gracian​

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[faethor]

atheists don't have a imposed religious moral code, they can "do whatever" think is right, an atheist makes their own moral rules.

Those 'immoral' atheists not only make up the smallest prision population. Turns out they have the lowest rate of divorces. http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistfamiliesmarriage/a/AtheistsDivorce.htm
Most, if not all, Christian religions teach that divorce is a bad thing, breaks one of the 10-Commandments. It turns out the highest divorce rate is in the 'Bible Belt' within the USA.

Though this isn't too surprising. The 'Bible Belt' is famous in being anti-divorce, anti-single mother, anti-teen pregnancy, and yet has the highest rate of those items. It appears the religious are the one's who are doing whatever they think is right.

 

[faethor]

people only behave when they are threatened.

That's a theory. Though I think people do best when they feel loved and protected. If threats were the dominate nature in the human species I doubt tribes would/could have been formed. Thusly, societies wouldn't have survived.

 

[cecilia]

perfectly said

 

[metalman]

It also has no moral rules to encourage sociopaths. Again Atheism has no moral dictates.

If atheists have a personal moral code, it is borrowed from religion

Marquis de Sade advocated atheism and unrestrained by morals, and a total commitment to secularism
he influenced Friedrich Nietzsche
Nihilists believe that there is no purpose or meaning to life, no God to serve, no life after death and no authoritative morality or absolute truth.

Adolph Hitler, an atheist, was strongly influenced by Nietzsche

A religion is a group of people that adhere to a particular set of beliefs and practices. A cult has a particular set of beliefs and practices and therefore are a religion.

Cults can occur both inside of and outside a 'mainstream' religion. Cults have a living charismatic cult leader. Cultism usually involves some sort of belief that living outside the cult is evil and threatening; inside the cult is the special path to salvation through the cult leader and his teachings.

examples: Jim Jones, David Koresh, Marshall Applegate​

There's deaths of other religions, Crusades and Africa are examples. There's deaths of other sects, such the Catholics vs Protestants in Ireland.

Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong

Many atheist commumist regimes killed in the name of atheistism. The Great Leap Forward, in it's principle of the Destruction of Four Olds, officially encouraged the suppression of religion and the murder of the religious; which was widely practiced by the Red Guard. The Stalinist government officially banned and violently suppressed all religion, as being inherently dangerous to an ideal society; not out of paranoia, but as an extension of Marxism-Leninism, which taught that religion and communism were antithetical, and only atheism was compatible with ideal communism. Unlike Marx, Lenin, and Trotsky, who believed education would be sufficient, the Stalinists believed that a more active purging of the religious was necesssary. They imprisoned and killed tens of thousands in gulags for the simple fact of being religious; and incarcerated many others in mental hospitals to "treat" them of their religion, after officially declaring religion a mental illness. The Khmer Rouge officially banned religion and murdered many religious people, particularly Buddhists, Christians, and Muslims.

There's deaths of Catholics, such as when babys were bashed against the wall to get into heaven quicker.

Pretty sure that would involve committing a mortal sin by Catholic teaching. Unless your talking about an atheist throwing the babies, then Marquis de Sade would be Ok with it, as long as it caused an orgasm

Being raised and educated Lutheran for the first half of my life I can say they don't have purgatory. Like Heidi Klum says 'you're in or you're out'. In this sect the greatest sin is failing to accept God, it's unforgiveable. All other sins are sins and God hates them equally.

The New Testment says that one's life works are supremely relevant.

No Christrian denominations teaches that good works are irrelevant, human effort and good works is required to ensure salvation. To claim otherwise is heretic.

There are many passages that illustrate the relationship between faith and good works. It is true that salvation is by grace alone, acceptance of Jesus Christ; but if salvation truly exists, then it will be noticeable in one's actions and works. That doesn't mean the saved are perfect; but that they will consistently working toward the good. Good works are the evidence of one's salvation, just like smoke is the evidence of the existence of fire.

 

[Robert]

Adolph Hitler, an atheist....

This old canard again? How many times do we have to debunk this unmitigated horsefeathers?

Not that it makes any difference anyway but here are a few facts -

Hitler was christened Roman Catholic and never claimed to be anything else;
The Nazi German army had "God with us" on their belt buckles;
Hitler claimed to have stamped out atheism;
Hitler banned the German Freethinkers League (and other atheist organisations);
Hitler once said in a speech, "My feeling as a Christian points me toward my Lord and Saviour."
Mein Kampf has numerous references to Hitler's faith;
Hitler was tacitly endorsed by the Pope.

etc.

Now, do I know for certain that he believed in Christianity?
No.

However, I can tell you this.
There is far more evidence that he was a believer than there is that he was atheist.

Your statement is a falsehood made, I hope, through ignorance rather than deceit.

 

[Robert]

perfectly said

Excellent little video, thanks.

 

[Robert]

And another!

(just catching up some of the things I've missed - muchos busy lately.)

 

[cecilia]

here's another:

really sums it up well.

and watching this I realize that I was saved from being conned by the nuns because in my family being educated (with facts) and thinking for yourself was always considered a virtue and important in becoming an adult that contributed to society.

So, when the nuns tried to bully me with their moronic religious ideas I knew instinctively that there was something wrong there. And, by examining the ideas in a systematic manner I was able to know they were wrong and go on with my life freely and creatively

 

[redrumloa]

This old canard again? How many times do we have to debunk this unmitigated horsefeathers?

Not that it makes any difference anyway but here are a few facts -

Hitler was christened Roman Catholic and never claimed to be anything else;

Really? What about the whole Hitler and the Occult thing?

 

[robert l. bentham]

i don't do bad things because i don't like to see people hurt by my actions. it wasn't "borrowed" from any religion, it had to do with my being able to see. no offense, and i mean none here, but posting famous atheists without know whether they are or not and then purporting to knowing their beliefs is about as bad as the very thing you claimed happened here... somebody called that guy a ron paul supporter, right or wrong. i dont know. i posted the thread under what was later decided an unacceptable title. i focused on the" kill the nigger and his kids" part, which is what i didnt like, i actually omitted the ron paul part . it evolved into this....

 

[faethor]

If atheists have a personal moral code, it is borrowed from religion

While you may have to ask Daddy how to behave, others are grown enough that we can think for ourselves and determine the best moral actions.

While certainly some atheitists have been nihlists it's not a mandatory condition of being an atheist. Atheism is a rejection of gods, only 1 more than Christianity as a matter of fact.

Nor was Hitler an atheist. Many of his writings and presentations he commented on the importance that a Christian God plays in his life. Additionally the Catholic Church did lend support to the Nazis. Some say he switched to the occult. Either way it was a type of religion. It wasn't until ~20 years after the end of WWII when Catholism stopped the condemnation of Jews for Jesus' death. Similarily look to Croatia in 1943 and you'll find the Pope's response to 200-300K dead Jews was to 'bear adversity with serene patience' - hardly what I call moral outrage. Don't forget the Nazi's themselves doing this were predomintently Christian practioners.

Cults can occur both inside of and outside a 'mainstream' religion.

Certainly true. If you want to define cults as a 'minority' religion. I'm fine with that. They are a religion none-the-less.

Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong
Many atheist commumist regimes killed in the name of atheistism.

Not true. They killed in the name of Communism and wanted to destroy any center of power that not supported by the State. Stalin, for example, was trained as a Priest and rejected any books on atheism in his collection. So it's questionable he was an atheist he was more guided to force people to be under his control.

But don't forget the Catholic Church, which supposed is moral as it supposedly got it's rules from God, did a similar things for eons. It was seen as their Divine Duty to convert the world the word of God. Clearly they did so by the sword. Even as far as the 90s in Rwanda we saw Catholic Priests and Nuns lead up the killing of over a million Hutus and Tutsis.

And religion itself has been used to support Communism. Such as in the Zimbabwe Catholic Church's support of Magabe and his visits to Rome this year.

Pretty sure that would involve committing a mortal sin by Catholic teaching. Unless your talking about an atheist throwing the babies, then Marquis de Sade would e Ok with it, as long as it caused an orgasm

Read the Old Testament and you'll that 'do not kill' only meant do that to those that didn't follow the God of Abraham and were moral. You'll find opposing tribes genocidially eliminated along with Jewish prostitues and disrepectful children stoned to death. Hardly moral. You'll find other nice things like Lot offering his daughters to be sexually abused in place of angels who then later commits incest with them. Morals? It's near impossible to take your point seriously.

As for Catholics at one time it was seen as morally acceptable to obtain baptism for a child then immediately bash their head in. It made be bad for the parent but what loving parent wouldn't want an immediate into Heaven for their child.

The New Testment says that one's life works are supremely relevant.

The New Testament says lots of stuff including the promotion of slavery and subservent role women must play. Step back in history just a bit and you'll see Eugene McCarty ask Pat Robertson to give in on civil rights. Pat, a man of the cloth certainly he knows the morals of the church, was the bible forbad him from helping the colored man. When it comes to equal rights of woman and eliminating slavery we are clearly not following God for those morals.

There are many passages that illustrate the relationship between faith and good works. It is true that salvation is by grace alone, acceptance of Jesus Christ; but if salvation truly exists, then it will be noticeable in one's actions and works.

Doing good works is not dependent upon acceptance of Jesus. Other people in other religions do similar works and so do atheists.

You've scapegoated Atheists all as Nihlists, it's not true. And in fact over the eons religion doesn't have a great record on morality either.

Here's but a few positive atheists - Carl Sagan, Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawkings, Thomas Edison, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Frank Zappa, Douglas Adams, Penn & Teller.

 

[cecilia]

"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work." [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]

"The anti-Semitism of the new movement (Christian Social movement) was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge." [Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! ..." [Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922]

 

[metalman]

Nor was Hitler an atheist. Many of his writings and presentations he commented on the importance that a Christian God plays in his life. Some say he switched to the occult. Either way it was a type of religion.

Hitler certainly did use Christian (and Pagan) symbolism many times in his public writings and speaches. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he frequently brought up he was a Catholic alter boy as a child in speeches when he was campaigning against "atheist" communists and wanted support from Catholic Germans. But Hitler is also quoted as privately saying he intended "to stamp out Christianity root and branch."and " We [Germans] have no use for a fairy story invented by the Jews." He had priests and nuns killed, and plotted the kidnapping of Pope Pius XII because "The Vatican is a nest of spies and a center of anti-National Socialist propaganda."

Hitler, a master manipulator and agitator, used whatever he could to motivate a crowd , but it was just political pandering. So many Germans were religious (Catholic & Lutheran) that Hitler had to pretend to be a believer. Hitlers main political opposition inside Germany was the Catholic Church, he couldn't beat the church in open political warfare--so he attacked them piecemeal while making conciliatory public statements. Because of the long history of Christianity [Catholic] in Germany, Hitler could not attack Christianity as openly as he did Judaism, communism or other political opponents. Hitler said whatever would make things easiest, at the moment, and then ignored the statements later.

"Only the [Catholic] Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing the truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised, I now praise unreservedly."--Albert Einstein

Martin Bormann, Nazi secretary declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." Hitler declared Nazism the German state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.

Hitler acted as if he had a messianic complex and you can only make the argument that Hitler was a believer in God, only if by "God" you mean "Adolf Hitler."

 

[Robert]

Hitler certainly did use Christian (and Pagan) symbolism many times in his public writings and speaches. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he frequently brought up he was a Catholic alter boy as a child in speeches when he was campaigning against "atheist" communists and wanted support from Catholic Germans.

And yet you confidently assert that he was, without any shadow of a doubt atheist because:

But Hitler is also quoted as privately saying he intended "to stamp out Christianity root and branch."and " We [Germans] have no use for a fairy story invented by the Jews." He had priests and nuns killed, and plotted the kidnapping of Pope Pius XII because "The Vatican is a nest of spies and a center of anti-National Socialist propaganda."

I said in my post that I did not know whether Hitler believed in God but that there is more evidence that he did than there is that he didn't. Your post reinforces this.

Not that I expected something as trivial as facts and evidence to in any way reduce the amount of flogging you continue to apply to this particular dead horse. Otherwise you'd probably be atheist yourself.

-EDIT-

As I also said, even if it could be proved that Hitler was atheist, it would say nothing about atheists generally. I'm just sick of the idiotic parroting of "Hitler was atheist."

Tell a lie often enough, etcetera...