Ron Paul wins Iowa

Fluffy it is you that doesn't get it.
Who gets in the door?
You do not get in the door unless you have the proper credentials. Meaning accepted by both the state and the RNC.

If your state does not have a specific rule about voting for the one you represented in the primary then yes, you could switch your vote on the very first ballot.

If the state has a rule that says you must vote for the nominee that you represented in the primary for the first ballot then it doesn't mean a thing if the RNC says they can switch on the first ballot, because the state will not count that vote and it will not be reported. Is that so hard for you to understand. That is why state rules are so important in the first place, and why there can be fifty different rules on who actually gets to have their vote counted.

If you decide you are going to break a state rule, they will promptly pull your credentials and replace you with an alternate, meaning someone that will follow state rules.
 
actually... thats extremely short sighted of you... while you are right that rules of delegate selection and vary from state to state they do have provisions for delegates to change their support on the second ballot of convention voting if this or that other demand (in some cases a verbal release will do, in others the candidate might need to get some percentage in the initial vote), is met. from the looks of the ron paul campaign he is doing a very thorough job of getting his supporters elected to delegate positions, and he is training them in Robert's rules of order so they know how to approach the parliamentary procedure they will have to affect in order to win. and the fact is, from what i read, he just might pull it off. here's some good stuff on the matter:

http://www.rulesonline.com/rror_02.htm

http://www.dailypaul.com/229263/bound-delegates-cannot-abstain?page=1
 
Fade said:
Fluffy it is you that doesn't get it.
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This shouldn't be so difficult but I obviously haven't stated it simply enough yet.
The RNC is looking for a presidential candidate. They have some rules about how their convention is to be run. As part of that the states are to select delegates. The states can decide how to select the delegates - the rules they use to pick the delegates are up to them.
However, when the delegates get to the national convention which rules apply - the RNC rules or the state rules?
 
“Broadly speaking, I don’t think anyone has a firm handle on how deep this goes,” Putnam told TPM. “This is a headache for Romney and they’ll have to deal with it at some point.”
The Minnesota convention hasn’t been held yet, but local reports indicate that Paul backers are poised to “dominate” there as well. A spokesperson for the Minnesota Republican Party declined to comment.
In Massachusetts, Paul supporters scored the majority of Romney’s delegates at the state convention this weekend. Although they’re bound by state rules to vote for Romney, their presence could still influence the convention.
In Colorado, supporters got a healthy number of delegates and are expected to control the overall delegation after joining with a large number of uncommitted Santorum delegates at the state convention in April. And in Iowa, Paul supporters secured a pro-Paul state chair and likely control of the state committee that will choose its delegates for the convention.
In other states, Paul activists are making their influence known even if they don’t control the national delegation. In Alaska, they recently installed a pro-Paul party chair at the state convention.
Tracking the phenomenon is made harder in part because the Paul campaign is tight-lipped about its recent success. Doug Wead, a senior adviser to the Paul campaign, told the New Orleans Times-Picayune after their performance at the Louisiana caucuses, “Had we announced, `Hey we’re going to sneak in there and win,’ we probably wouldn’t have won it.”

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...-spell-trouble-for-gop-convention.php?ref=fpb
 
Want to know what kind of a sport these primaries are?
Fake slates circulating, extra nominations being thrown in ... shenanigans, basically - generally against Paul - who is backed by the elites, some claim.
 
Rules ignored again.

Not unlike the recent locking out of shareholders from the Wells Fargo shareholders meeting and others.
Insiders try to keep these things for insiders but when the people find out about the rules and how to use them to gain their rights (as shareholders or as party members or as citizens) then the rules can be ignored. This is how power has always operated - but as more people try to participate and take back the right to participate in the decisions that affect them, power takes those rights away. Rights are only OK in theory.
 
@Fade

Maybe instead of arguing with me you can argue with RNC legal council.
The RNC does not respect the State rules binding delegates. All delegates are free agents, all are free to vote their conscience.
 
Man handing out fake Ron Paul slates was paid by the Romney campaign.
There were other trouble makers trying to sow confusion at the Maine convention too.
That is the message from someone who was there.
 
Fluffy I will highlight the important stuff I said, then maybe it will sink in.

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"If the state has a rule that says you must vote for the nominee that you represented in the primary for the first ballot then it doesn't mean a thing if the RNC says they can switch on the first ballot, because the state will not count that vote and it will not be reported."
 
Fade said:
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"If the state has a rule that says you must vote for the nominee that you represented in the primary for the first ballot then it doesn't mean a thing if the RNC says they can switch on the first ballot, because the state will not count that vote and it will not be reported."
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Thanks for the highlighting but it's not that I don't understand the words you are saying. It's just that you are wrong.

The states will not count the votes because the states do not count the votes at the Republican National Convention. The Republican National Convention counts the votes at the Republican National Convention - which is governed by the rules of the Republican National Convention.

The states send delegates to the Republican National Convention which is being held in Tampa this year - the states will be staying home - because they cannot move since they are states. The delegates will be in Tampa and will vote under RNC rules.
 
according to the text i just got ron paul is no longer campaigning in states that haven't primary voted anymore (in effect he's done and mittens is your man), only dealing with state stuff he already has going on (which means mitt hasn't paid for his delegates yet).... buh bye ron paul... we knew you all too well.... heh heh
 
robert l. bentham said:
according to the text i just got ron paul is no longer campaigning in states that haven't primary voted anymore (in effect he's done and mittens is your man), only dealing with state stuff he already has going on (which means mitt hasn't paid for his delegates yet).... buh bye ron paul... we knew you all too well.... heh heh
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So he hasn't quit then.
 
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