Secret camera footage of fluoride facility in Austin

the_leander said:
And yet, the British Dental Association still recommends it, as does the BMA.

Either way, my last post in political threads on this site. Expect me to spam this place with everything I can along non political lines from this point onwards, seriously - this place needs re jigging.
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Are those the same professionals that said it was totally safe to have amalgam fillings that contained mercury?
 
Let's be very clear about a few things. Water fluoridation works as a method of increasing the deposition of calcium fluoroapatite in teeth (presumably bones too). The latter is more resistant to the types of acids that your teeth are commonly exposed to as the bacteria living on them enjoy some of your excess sugar intake and the result is that tooth decay rates have either fallen or at least not risen (despite a large increase in exposure to sugary foods in recent decades - that obesity problem didn't come from nowhere) where water contains fluoride, be it natural or artificially added.

My problem with water fluoridation is that as a therapy, it's rather like using a nuke to crack an egg. Topical use (fluoride toothpaste/mouthwash or even tablets) is just as effective at protecting your teeth - provided you actually bother to do it properly*. The amount that gets rinsed down your sink and finds it's way back into the environment in the process of brushing twice daily with a good fluoride toothpaste is tiny in comparison to the amount that does so as the result of artificial fluoridation of all the piped water that you use in a day.

*don't brush immediately after eating sugary food. Wait for an hour or so until the normal pH of your mouth is restored. If you brush your teeth while they are still under acid attack, you just make the problem worse as you are adding mechanical abrasion to the process.
 
On the flipside of the above, whilst fluoride is handy for protecting existing teeth, excess fluoride intake is certainly harmful to developing teeth. Dental fluorosis can be more than simply cosmetic staining. If the cells that produce the enamel are affected by excess fluoride exposure, teeth can become quite brittle, easily chipped and exhibit increased porosity. Pretty much the exact opposite of what fluoride treatment is aiming to accomplish.

Just to add my own conjecture to a thread what's got a fair amount already. While I've not seen any specific studies, a general rule of thumb is that anything that affects developing teeth is likely to affect developing bones too, since the same processes and substances are involved. I'd not be surprised to discover that people suffering from acute dental fluorosis may have issues with their bones too.
 
Dammy said:
So is there a greater dental issues going on in the 90% that isn't getting Sodium Fluoride vs the 10% that is?
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The rates of dental cavities in non-flouridated well water vs flouridated city water in the US has been studied. The flouridated water users have been found to have a statistically significant less cavities. As always Wikipedia is a good place to use as a primer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation
 
Karlos said:
Water fluoridation works as a method of increasing the deposition of calcium fluoroapatite in teeth (presumably bones too). The latter is more resistant to the types of acids that your teeth are commonly exposed to as the bacteria living on them enjoy some of your excess sugar intake and the result is that tooth decay rates have either fallen or at least not risen (despite a large increase in exposure to sugary foods in recent decades - that obesity problem didn't come from nowhere) where water contains fluoride, be it natural or artificially added.
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There are also toothpaste with ionic calcium (NovaMin) to remineralize teeth. I purchased a tube of this toothpaste after discussion on another thread here.
 
faethor said:
The rates of dental cavities in non-flouridated well water vs flouridated city water in the US has been studied.
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As usual it matters who is doing the study. Dental caries rates around the world have reduced irrespective of fluoridated water.

And as Karlos mentioned, bones problems also occur. Skeletal Fluorisis is a bad (possibly crippling) condition and can happen at fairly low levels of fluoride. You can easily go over the "healthy" (or upper bounds of allowable - depending on how you look at it) levels of fluoride when you add other sources of fluoride ... like tea. Tea accumulates fluoride in its leaves and the levels are going up as the fluoride comes from fallout of industrial processes like aluminum production.
 
Do you really think the Tea Party drinks anything other than Miller?
 
faethor said:
Do you really think the Tea Party drinks anything other than Miller?
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Please don't tell me MGD is the Tea Party's beer of choice! That's my favorite beer! I would have thought Budweiser would be their choice. :(
 
Glaucus said:
Please don't tell me MGD is the Tea Party's beer of choice! That's my favorite beer! I would have thought Budweiser would be their choice. :(
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I'd think any corporate beer company would be their favorite over the local small brewery of beers. First, cuz well I don't think I've ever met a 'Tea Partier' in a brewhouse. And second, because they don't understand the original Tea Party was against a private corporate meganational and backed the local small producers. ;)
 
cecilia said:
I've been using that toothpaste since Sept 1st. I can't say it makes any difference as such, but the toothbrush is spectacular! I can actually hear my teeth squeak as I brush them.
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you need to wait before rinsing, needs to be in contact with teeth as long as possible
 
Eight reasons why water fluoridation has failed modern civilization

5) Children who drink fluoridated water develop lower IQs. According to information compiled by the fluoride awareness group Fluoride Action Network (FAN), at least 34 published studies have identified a link between fluoride exposure and reduced IQ levels. A recent review put together by researchers from Harvard University found that children living in fluoridated areas have 350 percent lower IQ levels on average compared to children living in non-fluoridated areas.
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I don't think it's a good idea to add anything to the water supply. Water supply is for supplying clean and clear water. Would be nice if I would be programming that way. "Oh, this function does also this and that, sorry if that messes up your data."
Like daylight saving times. A true nightmare for developers who need to use time-of-day information, it just messes it up twice a year.
Back to the water supply, if you add stuff like fluoride you CANNOT know what you can cause, not only because the applications of water are numerous, also the reactions of human bodies is extremely numerous (think of babies or the elderly). And a lot of the fluoride will be in the environment, another factor that cannot be determined.

Therefore, I thoroughly, thoroughly and utterly hate this kind of shoddy and unreliable way of thinking :mad:.
For crying out loud we're talking about adults, scientists even! Not children who need to be taken by the hand!
 
Australian health authorities admit water fluoridation is 'involuntary medication' of public

But Queensland's LNP has remained steadfast in its decision, declaring forced water fluoridation to be "involuntary medication" of the public, regardless of someone's own personal opinion on the efficacy and safety of fluoride. This declaration is key, as it highlights a reality about fluoride that few people are willing to admit -- fluoride is a chemical drug that has never been proven safe and effective, but that is routinely added to water supplies without informed consent.
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