The UK needs "Knife Control"

[faethor]

Great Britain banned private ownership of handguns in 1997.

hot burglaries, burglaries where the victims are home:
In the USA the rate of hot burglaries is 13%
In the UK the rate of hot burglaries is now over 70%.

In the US criminals know that breaking in with people home is a good way to get shot.

The murder rate in the US is nearly 5x higher then the UK. The murder rate with a gun in the US is nearly 4x higher then the entire murder rate in the UK. Using Metalman's logic we must conclude that gun ownership is why in the US criminals tend to bring guns and shoot first, killing their victim. Of course one doesn't need their stuff when they're dead.

 

[faethor]

Great Britain banned private ownership of handguns in 1997.

hot burglaries, burglaries where the victims are home:
In the USA the rate of hot burglaries is 13%
In the UK the rate of hot burglaries is now over 70%.

In the US criminals know that breaking in with people home is a good way to get shot.

The murder rate in the US is nearly 5x higher then the UK. The murder rate with a gun in the US is nearly 4x higher then the entire murder rate in the UK. Using Metalman's logic we must conclude that gun ownership is why in the US criminals tend to bring guns and shoot first, killing their victim. Of course one doesn't need their stuff when they're dead.

 

[ltstanfo]

Knife violence is a problem in this country and the Scottish government are currently looking at ways of addressing the problem. Whether they come up with anything positive is another matter but longer sentences for possession is one of the aspects they're looking at.
I can walk into a local shop and buy swords or knives like any of these, which clearly have no legitimate purpose, no questions asked. I'd personally like to see some restrictions on this. Having said that, such a measure would only address a tiny part of the problem.

Great Britain banned private ownership of handguns in 1997.

I can only assume your argument is that, but for this decision, there would be a lot less violence which is, to be frank, complete and utter bollox.

Guns were restricted *because* of the violence caused by them, in case you overlooked that small but important detail.

Hungerford and Dunblane would have been far less violent if the murderers had been restricted to using knives. And if they'd been further restricted in the type of knives available to them, less violent again. Sure, a guy with a fishing knife could kill someone but of the numbers achieved in these cases? Somehow seems unlikely.

The simple fact (IMO) is that the criminal element will use whatever is available to them. A number of years ago I saw a bumper sticker which stated, "If Guns Are Outlawed Can I Use A Sword?"

I am in no way suggesting that the UK either permit or deny weapons to individuals, rather that if you ban one weapon, others will be used. It is a differenct culture across the pond and just as they cannot understand our desire to keep and bear arms we cannot expect the "American Way" to make everything better overseas. This is a UK problem that the UK has to address / fix.

On a side note, I must admit to being rather amused that Scotland might consider some form of "edged weapon" control / law / ban... especially considering Scotland's history with edged weapons (dirks and Claymores come to mind). One might make the arguement that the two above mentioned items are in fact the "2nd amendment" for Scotland. :wink:

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[ltstanfo]

Knife violence is a problem in this country and the Scottish government are currently looking at ways of addressing the problem. Whether they come up with anything positive is another matter but longer sentences for possession is one of the aspects they're looking at.
I can walk into a local shop and buy swords or knives like any of these, which clearly have no legitimate purpose, no questions asked. I'd personally like to see some restrictions on this. Having said that, such a measure would only address a tiny part of the problem.

Great Britain banned private ownership of handguns in 1997.

I can only assume your argument is that, but for this decision, there would be a lot less violence which is, to be frank, complete and utter bollox.

Guns were restricted *because* of the violence caused by them, in case you overlooked that small but important detail.

Hungerford and Dunblane would have been far less violent if the murderers had been restricted to using knives. And if they'd been further restricted in the type of knives available to them, less violent again. Sure, a guy with a fishing knife could kill someone but of the numbers achieved in these cases? Somehow seems unlikely.

The simple fact (IMO) is that the criminal element will use whatever is available to them. A number of years ago I saw a bumper sticker which stated, "If Guns Are Outlawed Can I Use A Sword?"

I am in no way suggesting that the UK either permit or deny weapons to individuals, rather that if you ban one weapon, others will be used. It is a differenct culture across the pond and just as they cannot understand our desire to keep and bear arms we cannot expect the "American Way" to make everything better overseas. This is a UK problem that the UK has to address / fix.

On a side note, I must admit to being rather amused that Scotland might consider some form of "edged weapon" control / law / ban... especially considering Scotland's history with edged weapons (dirks and Claymores come to mind). One might make the arguement that the two above mentioned items are in fact the "2nd amendment" for Scotland. :wink:

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[ltstanfo]

Knife violence is a problem in this country and the Scottish government are currently looking at ways of addressing the problem. Whether they come up with anything positive is another matter but longer sentences for possession is one of the aspects they're looking at.
I can walk into a local shop and buy swords or knives like any of these, which clearly have no legitimate purpose, no questions asked. I'd personally like to see some restrictions on this. Having said that, such a measure would only address a tiny part of the problem.

Great Britain banned private ownership of handguns in 1997.

I can only assume your argument is that, but for this decision, there would be a lot less violence which is, to be frank, complete and utter bollox.

Guns were restricted *because* of the violence caused by them, in case you overlooked that small but important detail.

Hungerford and Dunblane would have been far less violent if the murderers had been restricted to using knives. And if they'd been further restricted in the type of knives available to them, less violent again. Sure, a guy with a fishing knife could kill someone but of the numbers achieved in these cases? Somehow seems unlikely.

The simple fact (IMO) is that the criminal element will use whatever is available to them. A number of years ago I saw a bumper sticker which stated, "If Guns Are Outlawed Can I Use A Sword?"

I am in no way suggesting that the UK either permit or deny weapons to individuals, rather that if you ban one weapon, others will be used. It is a differenct culture across the pond and just as they cannot understand our desire to keep and bear arms we cannot expect the "American Way" to make everything better overseas. This is a UK problem that the UK has to address / fix.

On a side note, I must admit to being rather amused that Scotland might consider some form of "edged weapon" control / law / ban... especially considering Scotland's history with edged weapons (dirks and Claymores come to mind). One might make the arguement that the two above mentioned items are in fact the "2nd amendment" for Scotland. :wink:

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[ltstanfo]

Knife violence is a problem in this country and the Scottish government are currently looking at ways of addressing the problem. Whether they come up with anything positive is another matter but longer sentences for possession is one of the aspects they're looking at.
I can walk into a local shop and buy swords or knives like any of these, which clearly have no legitimate purpose, no questions asked. I'd personally like to see some restrictions on this. Having said that, such a measure would only address a tiny part of the problem.

Great Britain banned private ownership of handguns in 1997.

I can only assume your argument is that, but for this decision, there would be a lot less violence which is, to be frank, complete and utter bollox.

Guns were restricted *because* of the violence caused by them, in case you overlooked that small but important detail.

Hungerford and Dunblane would have been far less violent if the murderers had been restricted to using knives. And if they'd been further restricted in the type of knives available to them, less violent again. Sure, a guy with a fishing knife could kill someone but of the numbers achieved in these cases? Somehow seems unlikely.

The simple fact (IMO) is that the criminal element will use whatever is available to them. A number of years ago I saw a bumper sticker which stated, "If Guns Are Outlawed Can I Use A Sword?"

I am in no way suggesting that the UK either permit or deny weapons to individuals, rather that if you ban one weapon, others will be used. It is a differenct culture across the pond and just as they cannot understand our desire to keep and bear arms we cannot expect the "American Way" to make everything better overseas. This is a UK problem that the UK has to address / fix.

On a side note, I must admit to being rather amused that Scotland might consider some form of "edged weapon" control / law / ban... especially considering Scotland's history with edged weapons (dirks and Claymores come to mind). One might make the arguement that the two above mentioned items are in fact the "2nd amendment" for Scotland. :wink:

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[ltstanfo]

Knife violence is a problem in this country and the Scottish government are currently looking at ways of addressing the problem. Whether they come up with anything positive is another matter but longer sentences for possession is one of the aspects they're looking at.
I can walk into a local shop and buy swords or knives like any of these, which clearly have no legitimate purpose, no questions asked. I'd personally like to see some restrictions on this. Having said that, such a measure would only address a tiny part of the problem.

Great Britain banned private ownership of handguns in 1997.

I can only assume your argument is that, but for this decision, there would be a lot less violence which is, to be frank, complete and utter bollox.

Guns were restricted *because* of the violence caused by them, in case you overlooked that small but important detail.

Hungerford and Dunblane would have been far less violent if the murderers had been restricted to using knives. And if they'd been further restricted in the type of knives available to them, less violent again. Sure, a guy with a fishing knife could kill someone but of the numbers achieved in these cases? Somehow seems unlikely.

The simple fact (IMO) is that the criminal element will use whatever is available to them. A number of years ago I saw a bumper sticker which stated, "If Guns Are Outlawed Can I Use A Sword?"

I am in no way suggesting that the UK either permit or deny weapons to individuals, rather that if you ban one weapon, others will be used. It is a differenct culture across the pond and just as they cannot understand our desire to keep and bear arms we cannot expect the "American Way" to make everything better overseas. This is a UK problem that the UK has to address / fix.

On a side note, I must admit to being rather amused that Scotland might consider some form of "edged weapon" control / law / ban... especially considering Scotland's history with edged weapons (dirks and Claymores come to mind). One might make the arguement that the two above mentioned items are in fact the "2nd amendment" for Scotland. :wink:

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[ltstanfo]

Knife violence is a problem in this country and the Scottish government are currently looking at ways of addressing the problem. Whether they come up with anything positive is another matter but longer sentences for possession is one of the aspects they're looking at.
I can walk into a local shop and buy swords or knives like any of these, which clearly have no legitimate purpose, no questions asked. I'd personally like to see some restrictions on this. Having said that, such a measure would only address a tiny part of the problem.

Great Britain banned private ownership of handguns in 1997.

I can only assume your argument is that, but for this decision, there would be a lot less violence which is, to be frank, complete and utter bollox.

Guns were restricted *because* of the violence caused by them, in case you overlooked that small but important detail.

Hungerford and Dunblane would have been far less violent if the murderers had been restricted to using knives. And if they'd been further restricted in the type of knives available to them, less violent again. Sure, a guy with a fishing knife could kill someone but of the numbers achieved in these cases? Somehow seems unlikely.

The simple fact (IMO) is that the criminal element will use whatever is available to them. A number of years ago I saw a bumper sticker which stated, "If Guns Are Outlawed Can I Use A Sword?"

I am in no way suggesting that the UK either permit or deny weapons to individuals, rather that if you ban one weapon, others will be used. It is a differenct culture across the pond and just as they cannot understand our desire to keep and bear arms we cannot expect the "American Way" to make everything better overseas. This is a UK problem that the UK has to address / fix.

On a side note, I must admit to being rather amused that Scotland might consider some form of "edged weapon" control / law / ban... especially considering Scotland's history with edged weapons (dirks and Claymores come to mind). One might make the arguement that the two above mentioned items are in fact the "2nd amendment" for Scotland. :wink:

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[Robert]

I must admit to being rather amused that Scotland might consider some form of "edged weapon" control / law / ban... especially considering Scotland's history with edged weapons (dirks and Claymores come to mind). One might make the arguement that the two above mentioned items are in fact the "2nd amendment" for Scotland. :wink:

If an English invasion could conceivably be repelled by dirks and claymores (or handguns for that matter) the point might be valid.

As it is, such weapons have no valid purpose and if a rule is proposed requiring a permit for such weapons, I would not be against it.

 

[Robert]

I must admit to being rather amused that Scotland might consider some form of "edged weapon" control / law / ban... especially considering Scotland's history with edged weapons (dirks and Claymores come to mind). One might make the arguement that the two above mentioned items are in fact the "2nd amendment" for Scotland. :wink:

If an English invasion could conceivably be repelled by dirks and claymores (or handguns for that matter) the point might be valid.

As it is, such weapons have no valid purpose and if a rule is proposed requiring a permit for such weapons, I would not be against it.

 

[Robert]

I must admit to being rather amused that Scotland might consider some form of "edged weapon" control / law / ban... especially considering Scotland's history with edged weapons (dirks and Claymores come to mind). One might make the arguement that the two above mentioned items are in fact the "2nd amendment" for Scotland. :wink:

If an English invasion could conceivably be repelled by dirks and claymores (or handguns for that matter) the point might be valid.

As it is, such weapons have no valid purpose and if a rule is proposed requiring a permit for such weapons, I would not be against it.

 

[Robert]

I must admit to being rather amused that Scotland might consider some form of "edged weapon" control / law / ban... especially considering Scotland's history with edged weapons (dirks and Claymores come to mind). One might make the arguement that the two above mentioned items are in fact the "2nd amendment" for Scotland. :wink:

If an English invasion could conceivably be repelled by dirks and claymores (or handguns for that matter) the point might be valid.

As it is, such weapons have no valid purpose and if a rule is proposed requiring a permit for such weapons, I would not be against it.

 

[Robert]

I must admit to being rather amused that Scotland might consider some form of "edged weapon" control / law / ban... especially considering Scotland's history with edged weapons (dirks and Claymores come to mind). One might make the arguement that the two above mentioned items are in fact the "2nd amendment" for Scotland. :wink:

If an English invasion could conceivably be repelled by dirks and claymores (or handguns for that matter) the point might be valid.

As it is, such weapons have no valid purpose and if a rule is proposed requiring a permit for such weapons, I would not be against it.

 

[Robert]

I must admit to being rather amused that Scotland might consider some form of "edged weapon" control / law / ban... especially considering Scotland's history with edged weapons (dirks and Claymores come to mind). One might make the arguement that the two above mentioned items are in fact the "2nd amendment" for Scotland. :wink:

If an English invasion could conceivably be repelled by dirks and claymores (or handguns for that matter) the point might be valid.

As it is, such weapons have no valid purpose and if a rule is proposed requiring a permit for such weapons, I would not be against it.

 

[Vincent]

I haven't been following this too closely because it annoys me.

I'm all for a ban on knives, and the Scottish government have been trying to do something about it for years with little acknowledgement on tv or in the papers.

It's only now that the knife culture has hit London that it's getting all kinds of exposure. Only now does the houses of parliament want something done about it. They didn't care when Glasgow's knife culture was booming in the 80s and 90s while we were still all under the one government.

Something should've been done a long time ago but the English government were too oblivious as usual.

/rant

 

[Vincent]

I haven't been following this too closely because it annoys me.

I'm all for a ban on knives, and the Scottish government have been trying to do something about it for years with little acknowledgement on tv or in the papers.

It's only now that the knife culture has hit London that it's getting all kinds of exposure. Only now does the houses of parliament want something done about it. They didn't care when Glasgow's knife culture was booming in the 80s and 90s while we were still all under the one government.

Something should've been done a long time ago but the English government were too oblivious as usual.

/rant

 

[Vincent]

I haven't been following this too closely because it annoys me.

I'm all for a ban on knives, and the Scottish government have been trying to do something about it for years with little acknowledgement on tv or in the papers.

It's only now that the knife culture has hit London that it's getting all kinds of exposure. Only now does the houses of parliament want something done about it. They didn't care when Glasgow's knife culture was booming in the 80s and 90s while we were still all under the one government.

Something should've been done a long time ago but the English government were too oblivious as usual.

/rant

 

[Vincent]

I haven't been following this too closely because it annoys me.

I'm all for a ban on knives, and the Scottish government have been trying to do something about it for years with little acknowledgement on tv or in the papers.

It's only now that the knife culture has hit London that it's getting all kinds of exposure. Only now does the houses of parliament want something done about it. They didn't care when Glasgow's knife culture was booming in the 80s and 90s while we were still all under the one government.

Something should've been done a long time ago but the English government were too oblivious as usual.

/rant

 

[Vincent]

I haven't been following this too closely because it annoys me.

I'm all for a ban on knives, and the Scottish government have been trying to do something about it for years with little acknowledgement on tv or in the papers.

It's only now that the knife culture has hit London that it's getting all kinds of exposure. Only now does the houses of parliament want something done about it. They didn't care when Glasgow's knife culture was booming in the 80s and 90s while we were still all under the one government.

Something should've been done a long time ago but the English government were too oblivious as usual.

/rant

 

[Vincent]

I haven't been following this too closely because it annoys me.

I'm all for a ban on knives, and the Scottish government have been trying to do something about it for years with little acknowledgement on tv or in the papers.

It's only now that the knife culture has hit London that it's getting all kinds of exposure. Only now does the houses of parliament want something done about it. They didn't care when Glasgow's knife culture was booming in the 80s and 90s while we were still all under the one government.

Something should've been done a long time ago but the English government were too oblivious as usual.

/rant