Turkey broils

Glaucus said:
The Turkish lobby is a lot stronger than some might expect.
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Well, that's true 'nuff. A lot of the dirt that Sibel Edmonds isn't allowed to talk about is Turkish lobby stuff.
Overall I think Israel is better off without Turkey's "friendship" and are no longer obstructing the Armenian past.
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Israel got on much better with Turkey's military rather than Erdogan. If the military took over again I presume Israel wouldn't be too upset. If the protests don't end soon, maybe they will.
 
Glaucus said:
It was not acceptable to the resistance because it was too little too late.
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It was acceptable to the PEACEFUL opposition. The ones that wanted a gunfight, a few concessions weren't going to help - but the ones who wanted a gunfight were a very small minority.
 
http://www.perspectivesonglobalissues.com/0302/continental.htm


as long as turkey still dabbles in this...

http://www.seanews.com.tr/article/NEWSFROMTURKEY/102530/Turkey-Egypt-Opec/

turkey will get this

Oil Tankers Lose Money for Fourth Week as Ship Surplus Persists
http://www.seanews.com.tr/article/TURSHIP/TANKERS/100805/

and this

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/En...ing-money-on-BTC-pipeline/UPI-56571271343620/

and more foreign fighters ... mossad, cia? most people get rich off of oil... it seems to be bankrupting turkey... whyzzat?
 
robert l. bentham said:
http://www.perspectivesonglobalissues.com/0302/continental.htm
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Of all that, all one needs to read is this:
This is the core problem facing Greece and Turkey in the Aegean. Greece wishes to use a legal basis to decide the case, while Turkey wants to reach a solution without the interference of the international community or any binding body.
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In other words, Turkey wants to bully little Greece into giving it what it wants because it knows that any independent outsider isn't likely to agree with them. Just one of the many reasons Turkey's bid for the EU should be rejected.
 
Glaucus said:
Turkey wants to bully little Greece into giving it what it wants because it knows that any independent outsider isn't likely to agree with them. Just one of the many reasons Turkey's bid for the EU should be rejected.
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Alas, if such behviour was sufficient to block membership, the EU as it stands would be much diminished.
 
Glaucus said:
Of all that, all one needs to read is this:
In other words, Turkey wants to bully little Greece into giving it what it wants because it knows that any independent outsider isn't likely to agree with them. Just one of the many reasons Turkey's bid for the EU should be rejected.
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simpleton
 
Robert said:
Alas, if such behviour was sufficient to block membership, the EU as it stands would be much diminished.
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eh... can't just go breaking stuff up over nothing actually.. has to be a cause... glaucus thinks its the "shelf" and t prolly was, even tho article further states it fueled an agreed to arms race.. wink wink...

Follow the Money Trail: Oil and Natural Gas in the Aegean Seabed

The zeitgeist in 1973 was one of significant tension between the two nations when a Greek expedition found petroleum and natural gas off the coast of Thasos in the Eastern Aegean. After the subsequent search for oil carried out by the Turkish Petroleum Company in 1974, both Greece and Turkey claimed sovereignty over the continental shelf, and therefore the right to exploit any resources found within it.

Greece's claims to the oil and natural gas deposits in the Aegean were based on its rights to its territorial waters as set forth in the Geneva Convention; Turkey's resided on the principle of equity. It seemed that "for Turkey the principle of equidistance [as indicated in the Geneva Convention] is not an option...it rather chooses the principle of equity for the delimitation of the continental shelf."22 Turkey, attempting to invoke the principle of equity as customary international law in its continental shelf dispute with Greece (and also with the former Soviet Union in the Black Sea), meant to establish the exploitation of the natural resources in the continental shelf as its inalienable sovereign right. However, the ICJ "reached the conclusion that equity does not mean that it can be used to refashion the geographical nature and geomorphological inequalities between states with common continental shelf areas...for the purpose of effecting the equal distribution of their continental shelves."23 This crucial point is the reason why Turkey has not agreed to go to the ICJ or a court of arbitration. On purely legal grounds Turkey's case would likely fail with the ICJ statement lending weight to the customary maritime law that codified the Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and the UNCLOS treaty, despite Turkey not being a signatory to either.

yeah... don't notice that... hmmm... when discussing similarities and differences why can you not bring your mind to go one step further glaucus? would men not kill for the mangiest of reasons?
 
Hmmm... Maybe your posts would make more sense if you used a bigger font?
 
What if Greece and Turkey could put their differences aside and maybe form a union. Turkey would get immediate acceptance in the EU and Greece would a strategic chunk of land bridging Europe and the Middle East and the oil and gas disputes between them would be moot.

Personally I'd be delighted to see a country named Turkey-Greece.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
What if Greece and Turkey could put their differences aside and maybe form a union. Turkey would get immediate acceptance in the EU and Greece would a strategic chunk of land bridging Europe and the Middle East and the oil and gas disputes between them would be moot.
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On some levels that makes sense. On a personal level, I don't think many Greeks would go for it. No idea how Turkeys view Greeks, but most Greeks still remember 1974 and the 1950s, not to mention Smyrna and the 400 years of occupation. Culturally they are not very compatible either as Greece is staunchly Orthodox Christian and Turkey is of course Muslim. Most political parties in Greece cater to nationalist agendas (strong military, prominent religion, proud history, etc) but even still the ultra-nationalists still enjoy a fair bit of support. There would be blood in the streets of Athens if the government decided to form some kind of strong union with Turkey.
 
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