Well, I may have Hemochromatosis and Diabetes

I saw my GP Monday. The results are I am only down 19lbs so far and I have stage 1 heart disease. My cholesterol levels are good and I have never been morbidly obese, the only explantation is the iron overload. Iron accumulates in the organs and puts a strain on them. The specialists (gastroenterologist & hematologist) are going waay to slow. I need to get de-ironed ASAP. It also looks like I will decide to go through with the liver biopsy. If the heart is damaged, most certainly the liver will be. I need to know what extent and make sure it is not cancer. 1/4 of all people with advanced HH get liver cancer, which is almost always fatal. Fun days, fun days :x
 
I need to get de-ironed ASAP

Not trying to make light of the sucky situation, but just because the question begs to be asked, "where is Magneto when you need him?"

Seriously, are you going to start doing the blood donation thing?
 
Wayne said:
I need to get de-ironed ASAP

Not trying to make light of the sucky situation, but just because the question begs to be asked, "where is Magneto when you need him?"

Seriously, are you going to start doing the blood donation thing?

Magneto's way didn't look so good in the movie :wink:

I can't just go to a regular blood bank, I need a doctor to write the script so I can go to the hospital's Blood Draw center. I asked my primary care physician to write it, but he says he is not set up to write that. I will need to get it from the Hematologist. My appointment is set for the 25th, I am trying to get it moved sooner.
 
Bloodletting? I did some research and it seems to be the main treatment, have you not started that yet? Aside from that, there's at least one drug you can take but that's typically used if there's something preventing you from using the blood letting technique.

The question that I have is; once you bring your Fe levels down, will things go back to normal? If you have heart damage, chances are that's permanent, but I think your liver should recover, right?

EDIT: top part of my response was more a response to Wayne then to Red who I assume knows all that.
 
@Mike
For the first part, you are correct. I have not started treatment yet, but I am trying to push the doctors to write the script asap.

The 2nd part of your post is harder to answer. It depends on what organ and how much damage. Organs like the brain, joints and testicles do not heal, if they are damaged they are damaged. The liver to a certain extent can heal as long as cirrhosis has not occurred. There is no way to remove iron from the brain, not even through phlebotomies. If I am a rotten bastard, I can blame iron :wink: I really don't know about the heart, but blood pressure usually goes down after de-ironing. Everyone responds to treatment differently, the diseases progresses differently in everyone. Most people at least improve their symptoms and some complications, a few seem to reverse many of them if early enough.

I am holding on to hope my hypertension and diabetes will go away when de-ironed. If the liver biopsy comes back negative for cancer and advanced cirrhosis, I thing the prognosis will be good.
 
What I find odd is that the iron filings don't oxidize. The best way to prevent that from happening is to coax Fe to combine with some other elements to form a molecule of some kind (or it will likely combine with O2). But I'm not chemist.

Still, not sure it's all bad. I've taken Fe supplements because I have very low iron (thanks to thalasemia, a blood disorder) which I imagine is the same sort of thing. Fe is Fe, and I don't see how this could cause a problem in a healthy person. For me fortified iron foods are what I need as it's very hard for me to keep my Fe levels normal (in fact, almost impossible).
 
Glaucus said:
What I find odd is that the iron filings don't oxidize. The best way to prevent that from happening is to coax Fe to combine with some other elements to form a molecule of some kind (or it will likely combine with O2). But I'm not chemist.

Still, not sure it's all bad. I've taken Fe supplements because I have very low iron (thanks to thalasemia, a blood disorder) which I imagine is the same sort of thing. Fe is Fe, and I don't see how this could cause a problem in a healthy person. For me fortified iron foods are what I need as it's very hard for me to keep my Fe levels normal (in fact, almost impossible).

Is Fe total iron? Not familiar with the term.
 
"Fe" is an abbreviation of the Latin word "ferrum" and the "symbol" (chemical term) of iron.
 
JoBBo said:
"Fe" is an abbreviation of the Latin word "ferrum" and the "symbol" (chemical term) of iron.

In lab work there several measures of iron, including total iron, Total iron binding capacity(TIBC), ferritin etc.
 
redrumloa said:
Is Fe total iron? Not familiar with the term.
It's the symbol for iron on the periodic table. It's the main ingredient in steel and mixing it with chromium and nickel gives us stainless steel, which happens to not be affected by magnets.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
ArsTechnica poopoos all over this study: Does high-fructose corn syrup make you fatter?

At the end of the shorter trial, the male rats with 12-hour access to HFCS had gained significantly more weight than the group given access to sucrose—even though they actually consumed fewer calories in liquid form (the sucrose group ate enough chow to make up for the difference). That seems pretty important until you look at some of the details: the 24-hour HFCS group consumed roughly the same number of calories, on average, as their 12-hour peers, but didn't put on the same amount of weight. In fact, the 24-hour group wasn't significantly different (in the statistical sense) than either the sucrose or chow-only controls.

The longer-term study could have clarified exactly what was going on here, but the authors eliminated the sucrose group, "Since we did not see effects of sucrose on body weight in Experiment 1." In this experiment, the 24-hour group actually gained more weight than the control population as early as three weeks into the experiment. In fact, they gained more weight than the 12-hour group, although this difference isn't statistically significant. It doesn't appear that the authors attempted to explain why the two experiments seem to have produced different results.

At the end of this study, the fat pads were dissected out and weighed, and the abdominal fat pads of the 12-hour group were significantly different from those of the chow-only control. However, the abdominal fat of the 24-hour group (which, remember, gained more weight) wasn't significantly heavier than the control group.

To confuse matters further, the authors also ran a group of females through the long-term study protocol, and this time included a group with access to a sucrose solution. Females gained less weight in general than males, and those with 12-hour access to either HFCS or sucrose solutions finished the experiment in a statistical dead heat. Only the 24-hour HFCS group showed a significant increase in weight gain (and had a corresponding increase in fat deposition).
Although they may be on to something, any scientist would insist that the experiment itself is repeated by 3rd parties to verify the findings and conclusions.
 
Does HFCS make you fater? Perhaps Evidence and research appears to be under way.
 
faethor said:
Does HFCS make you fater? Perhaps Evidence and research appears to be under way.

I don't actually need research to confirm what I already know. I can FEEL it if I eat something high in HFCS.
 
faethor said:

Interesting. Sadly this news item fails to mention the most important nutritional value, carbohydrates. It says they have a grilled version, which I assume is not breaded? If there is an unbreaded version, it would be Atkins legal. That is except for salt. 1430mg of sodium is somewhat brutal, good lord!
 
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