Socialist beats top-ranking Democrat

redrumloa said:
How does your first quote reconcile with your second quote?
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It doesn't. I'm ambidyslexic!!
I meant to say "Most of the population, even those calling themselves conservative, are to the LEFT of what is calling itself the center."
I was trying to set up a contrast and gaffed on the right/left bit.

My point was that the ideological "center" had moved so far right it had passed over the population as a whole passing to the right of even most conservatives leaving them on the left of the center (not that they would identify that way, but what they care about and what they think would be sensible social policies are left of what the political class are calling center. Even so, much of the political class likes to call itself center but are actually to the right of that center.
 
Someone give this woman a book. Any book will do.

Big Govt. Supporter Ocasio-Cortez Rails Against NYC for Big Govt. Tactics

Alexandria Nina Pinta Santa Maria Cortez is one of my favorite people. I just can’t wait for her to have a luncheon with Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters, especially when they have to figure out the tip. Oh who am I kidding? Pelosi’s going to charge that lunch to the American people. But moving on. Amazon has chosen the location of its second headquarters, splitting the location in two: one office in New York, the other in Virginia. This has Nina Pinta all kinds of outraged:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1062203458227503104

I’m not down in the trenches of New York’s Long Island City. I’ve no idea if the people are outraged or not. But I do live in the greatter Seattle area, which is Amazon’s original home. Amazon being in Seattle has generally raised everything: rent, cost of living in addition to raising wages and tax revenue. While hoisting up local businesses where employees of Amazon shop and spend their leisure time.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1062206203709800448

Okay, I’m going to pull back and look at the bigger picture the runway model for socialism is missing. She’s bitching about corporatism: that is, government making deals with corporations for usually mutually beneficial reasons. In this case, Amazon moves to New York at a discount, so New York can still receive the vast income from employee income taxes taken from Amazon employees, as well as other tax revenue (sales tax, property tax, etc) from those same employees.

So actually New York will still get a lot of revenue from Amazon. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have made the deal.

What’s irritating is this whole Amazon ordeal proves New York knows placing a tax burden on businesses dissuades businesses from their city, but places those same burdensome taxes on every other business. A point Nina Pinta will never make.

But corporatism, favoring a big business when it won’t favor others, is a hallmark of socialism and its bigger cousin communism. So what we have here is a socialist darling railing against her own preferred system of governance.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1062210420830810113

Not everyone who works at Amazon is a programmer raking in six figures. Amazon hires plenty of non-executives, and last I looked, Amazon preemptively raised their minimum wage to $15/hour.

Amazon is one of the largest companies in the world. They do provide healthcare plans and “living wages” which allow people to afford rent. Granted a huge company moving into a city will naturally raise rent prices due to supply and demand, but cities try to build themselves to accommodate that demand. As is happening in Amazon’s hometown of Seattle.

Nina Pinta Santa Maria Cortez is demonstrating an economics shortcoming. While also taking aim at corporatism. With the idea that somehow that same government which engages in corporatism, which makes all of its revenue by taking from these same people Cortez claims to be a champion, can save them.

She's the big government poster child, but is aghast at big government problems? Amazing, absolutely amazing. I'm glad she's a NY problem.
 
IT BEGINS: Cortez Spends First Day in DC at Climate Protest Outside Pelosi’s Office

Newly elected Democratic-socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez spent her first full day in Washington, DC joining a climate-change protest outside House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s office.

The future Congresswoman joined dozens of demonstrators at the US Capitol Tuesday demanding greater government action to fight the impacts of fossil fuels on the global environment.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
If a business needs tax breaks to succeed, maybe it needs to rethink its business. If anyone wants to set up in a built up center they very much need to consider contributing to paying for the infrastructure they and their workers will be using. If you can't make it in New York don't go to New York.
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Tell that to Amazon and NY Democrats.
 
redrumloa said:
Tell that to Amazon and NY Democrats.
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I don't see why I need to bother - I was only talking to you. Ocasio-Cortez is already telling Amazon and the NY Dems.

Point is, it takes money to run a city. It's not even the money so much as it is the fact that cities and businesses are competing for the same electricity, the same concrete, the same fuel - that just happens to be denominated in monetary units.

It's an easy trap for humans to fall in to, to think that they can just milk capital like roads and infrastructure for some bucks to spend on nice things, but ultimately those things need to be maintained and replaced at considerable expense and cutting deals to companies just for the jobs is not going to do the trick in the long term, especially with companies that need the deals to compete with companies that DON'T need the deals. It's economically perverse. If Amazon was a better, more efficient, more economical way of doing things then they would be able to afford MORE taxes.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
I don't see why I need to bother - I was only talking to you. Ocasio-Cortez is already telling Amazon and the NY Dems.

Point is, it takes money to run a city. It's not even the money so much as it is the fact that cities and businesses are competing for the same electricity, the same concrete, the same fuel - that just happens to be denominated in monetary units.

It's an easy trap for humans to fall in to, to think that they can just milk capital like roads and infrastructure for some bucks to spend on nice things, but ultimately those things need to be maintained and replaced at considerable expense and cutting deals to companies just for the jobs is not going to do the trick in the long term, especially with companies that need the deals to compete with companies that DON'T need the deals. It's economically perverse. If Amazon was a better, more efficient, more economical way of doing things then they would be able to afford MORE taxes.
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You're missing my point. Big Government types (usually Democrats) preach about how more government, more regulations, and more taxes are the fix to everything. But then these same people will cut tax deals with mega corporations like Amazon, because they know they aren't competitive otherwise. With Big Government you have 2 classes of business, the mega corporations with one tax rate, and everyone else with another.

Small Government type (usually Republicans) believe in less government, less regulations, and less taxes. They also believe that the playing field should be level. They don't believe mega corporations should get sweetheart deals. Their low tax and low regulation environment should be sufficient.

This woman is very confused. She claims to be a socialist, but she is spouting conservative ideas at times. It doesn't seem like she has a foundation in economics at all.
 
redrumloa said:
This woman is very confused. She claims to be a socialist, but she is spouting conservative ideas at times. It doesn't seem like she has a foundation in economics at all.
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Perhaps I missed your point, but perhaps that is because YOU are confused - unless Ocasia-Cortez is FOR tax breaks for Amazon. I thought the story implied that she is against, and I thought that the point of the post was that you were criticising HER. Now it seems that the point is that you are criticising the hypocrisy of the Dems. Which is it? Mocking Cortez for being against, or mocking NY Dems for being for?
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Perhaps I missed your point, but perhaps that is because YOU are confused - unless Ocasia-Cortez is FOR tax breaks for Amazon. I thought the story implied that she is against, and I thought that the point of the post was that you were criticising HER. Now it seems that the point is that you are criticising the hypocrisy of the Dems. Which is it? Mocking Cortez for being against, or mocking NY Dems for being for?
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Is this the first time you've read or heard something she has said? She's all over the map, constantly contradicting herself. What's her economic plan outside "free stuff" paid by "just paying for it"? If you just take one sentence of a statement out context and in a vacuum, suddenly she sounds like a Tea Partier.

You know my stance on the hypocrisy of the Dems in general. This woman just seems to have no knowledge of economics, politics or anything else. Read up more about what she's said, she's not the brightest bulb. Even then, her confused statement was more that she was only against the tax breaks because she was not involved in it, not that she's against them in general.
 
redrumloa said:
You know my stance on the hypocrisy of the Dems in general. This woman just seems to have no knowledge of economics, politics or anything else. Read up more about what she's said, she's not the brightest bulb. Even then, her confused statement was more that she was only against the tax breaks because she was not involved in it, not that she's against them in general.
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It's just not clear to me what exactly is it that seems so clear to you. Can you please lay it out for me.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
It's just not clear to me what exactly is it that seems so clear to you. Can you please lay it out for me.
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some people just don't understand how Progressive candidates are different from Corporate politicians (who are the ban of the middle class)

as to amazon clogging up Long Island City, we don't know if they are going to spread job to local New Yorkers or bring in people from outside. And if they gentrify the neighborhood they kick out the locals. There's no reason for cities to PAY corporations to locate in their cities. Amazon is already rich, why bribe them when it may not be good for the city?

 
cecilia said:
There's no reason for cities to PAY corporations to locate in their cities. Amazon is already rich, why bribe them when it may not be good for the city?
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Welcome to the Tea Party :D
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
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"There's a party of big business protecting it" -> The Democrat Party.

It's been said that the GOP is the party that protects the bogeyman that is the Oil Industry. The Oil Industry is dwarfed by the major Tech Companies who are protected by the Democrat Party. The Tech Companies are far, far more dangerous than the Oil Industry.
 
redrumloa said:
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No, no, no. Not even watching it. I asked you to explain your thinking, not post something else for me to watch and try to figure out from it what I think you are thinking. I asked you to explain yourself. You are posting positions from all over the map, claiming that people both support and don't support them and make random seeming comments. WHAT.... are you actually trying to say?
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
No, no, no. Not even watching it. I asked you to explain your thinking, not post something else for me to watch and try to figure out from it what I think you are thinking. I asked you to explain yourself. You are posting positions from all over the map, claiming that people both support and don't support them and make random seeming comments. WHAT.... are you actually trying to say?
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Huh? I was telling you to LISTEN TO HER OWN WORDS. She contradicts herself all the time, and doesn't have even the slightest knowledge of basic finance, foreign policy etc. What do you want clarification on? The Amazon tax break?

Perhaps I missed your point, but perhaps that is because YOU are confused - unless Ocasia-Cortez is FOR tax breaks for Amazon.
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Go listen/read what she has actually said. If you do that, I shouldn't have to explain this all to you. It's been posted right here in this very thread.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1062206203709800448

When we talk about bringing jobs to the community, we need to dig deep:
- Has the company promised to hire in the existing community?
- What’s the quality of jobs + how many are promised? Are these jobs low-wage or high wage? Are there benefits? Can people collectively bargain?

She's not opposed to the idea of giving Amazon free stuff, as long as her personal demands are met. You don't see a contradiction? Giving Amazon a sweetheart deal is bad! We should have made these demands before giving Amazon free stuff!

This is who was just elected. It's only a minute long, you can handle it.

 
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redrumloa said:
Huh? I was telling you to LISTEN TO HER OWN WORDS. She contradicts herself all the time, and doesn't have even the slightest knowledge of basic finance, foreign policy etc. What do you want clarification on? The Amazon tax break?



Go listen/read what she has actually said. If you do that, I shouldn't have to explain this all to you. It's been posted right here in this very thread.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1062206203709800448

When we talk about bringing jobs to the community, we need to dig deep:
- Has the company promised to hire in the existing community?
- What’s the quality of jobs + how many are promised? Are these jobs low-wage or high wage? Are there benefits? Can people collectively bargain?

She's not opposed to the idea of giving Amazon free stuff, as long as her personal demands are met. You don't see a contradiction? Giving Amazon a sweetheart deal is bad! We should have made these demands before giving Amazon free stuff!

This is who was just elected. It's only a minute long, you can handle it.

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And that's where I was confused. Those two tweets are not in contradiction.

By the way, "Occupation of Palestine" is the legally correct and internationally recognized state of the Palestinian territories that remain under Israeli military rule.
 
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