Amy Winehouse dead at 27

Kesa said:
Really? You really believe this? I'm confused. I live a full and productive life and you are putting this as of lesser value than to a junkie?
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You have completely missed my point. Your argument is that the worth of another human being is relative to the value they add to your own. No matter how "awesome" or "productive" you think you are, nothing you do adds any value to my life, so by your own logic, you are worthless to me.

For the record, I don't actually believe this. I'm simply illustrating the flaw in your logic. Of course I recognise the damage that drug addicts cause not only to themselves but to society and to the people who love them. But that doesn't make them worthless. Everybody has something to offer, even if it's not what you would ultimately hope for. I'm sure Amy's family, friends and fans would agree. It's just that the particular things which she adds aren't things that you want, so you judge her to be worthless. That's very unfair.

Kesa said:
I stand by what i said earlier. Drug users CHOOSE to take drugs and they CHOOSE not to get help and then they die as a result of the choice THEY made.
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You can't assume that. You have no idea why Amy turned to drugs.

Kesa said:
Tell me again why i should care?
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Human compassion?
 
Bit of a bizarre thread considering she was apparently willing to get help and did go to rehab. She has supposedly been drug free for years now.
That's right, she was *not* a junkie.

She was however an alcoholic, a disease that kills around 9000 people a year in the UK.
 
minator said:
She was however an alcoholic, a disease that kills around 9000 people a year in the UK.
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Personally I don't draw a distinction between alcohol and other recreational intoxicants, but that's another story.
 
motorollin said:
Of course I recognise the damage that drug addicts cause not only to themselves but to society and to the people who love them. But that doesn't make them worthless. Everybody has something to offer, even if it's not what you would ultimately hope for.
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More to the point, drug addiction may represent the final phase of someone's life but it's never the entirety of it. Who knows what her life was like before she was famous? To say someone is worthless because of how their life turned out overlooks everything they may have done before things went downhill.
 
Karlos said:
More to the point, drug addiction may represent the final phase of someone's life but it's never the entirety of it. Who knows what her life was like before she was famous? To say someone is worthless because of how their life turned out overlooks everything they may have done before things went downhill.
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What? Like winning 5 Grammy awards?
 
Karlos said:
Personally I don't draw a distinction between alcohol and other recreational intoxicants, but that's another story.
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I more or less agree. Alcohol is a drug, therefore anyone addicted to alcohol is a drug addict.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Alcohol, Ecstasy, Capsaicin, etc.
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And let's not forget food. There are plenty of people addicted to food, become fat and then suffer from a long list of health issues and ultimately die because of it. I'm sure type 2 diabetics know what I'm talking about.
 
Karlos said:
Personally I don't draw a distinction between alcohol and other recreational intoxicants.
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Alcohol in moderation is good for you. Red wine is pretty much the ultimate health drink.

On the other hand I can't imagine Smoking cigarettes is good for you in any form and kills vast numbers of people every year.

In fact cigarettes is a good analogy, how many people do you know smoke? How many do you know have tried - and failed - to give up? I know people who'd love to give up and have tired many times but always end up going back. They don't want to keep smoking, but don't seem to be able to stop.
 
Karlos said:
Capsaicin per se isn't the drug, it's the endorphin release it triggers that causes the addiction :D
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More a craving really though, is it not?
I mean, there's no physical addiction like you get with fags, booze, smack and crack?

That said, I am a bit of a slave to the spice myself. I made a pot of simple veggie soup tonight and still couldn't resist loading it with cayenne and tabasco.
 
Glaucus said:
And let's not forget food. There are plenty of people addicted to food, become fat and then suffer from a long list of health issues and ultimately die because of it. I'm sure type 2 diabetics know what I'm talking about.
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Being overweight does not always lead to type 2 diabetes and being diabetic does not always mean you are fat. Weight and diabetes often do go hand in hand, but the link is not clearly defined or always there. Unfortunately genetics also play a large roll.
 
Addiction has some psychological trigger, and what addicts can become addicted to (self medicating their depression) can be any type of stimulant that results in mood altering.

What the addict is "addicted to" can be substituted, what AAA has success doing is substituting the "AAA religion" for a physical drug (alcohol, ...) , and the Jehovah Witnesses? they're people addicted to religion.

Capsaicin might actually work as a addiction substitute because it acts on the same brain receptors as risk taking, but its much safer eating peppers than running with the bulls and bungee jumping, to get an endorphin rush.

There are a disproportionate number of "high functioning" addicts, who work as as tradesmen, as musicians, as artists, sign painters, ... almost any job that allows them to set their own hours and work rules e.g. ... no drinking before 5pm .... no drinking before 3pm ... no drinking before noon ... except on ... Sunday ... Saturday ... Friday .... your Birthday, Mothers Birthday, ...
 
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