Georgia, the Olympics, the US armada and Iran

[smithy]

That weapons report hasn't appeared anywhere else. As the Russians have been attacking journalists, the fog of war is thicker than usual. The Georgia PR machine seems to be doing a rather better job than the Russians.

The Georgian PR machine is American. You will doubtless see more of their stuff in the West. Russia's point of view will play more in Russia.

Is that the same American PR machine that ran Israel's PR-disaster during their Hezbollah War in 2006? Just because the PR machine is American, it's not guarenteed to win a PR war.

The fact that Ossetia broke away from Georgia and has been "independent" since 1991 - more or less under Russian protection but it was patrolled by a joint peace keeping force - is not as known in the West as it is in Russia. The Russian report that Georgian peacekeepers started shooting at Russian peace keepers, killing 11, may be propaganda though it may be true. The Georgians certainly got a good and quick start on the fighting though. Of course, they must have been confident in US backing or they were just crazy if they thought Russia would stay out since the Russians have been holding big visible exercises nearby just to let everyone know how they felt.

To suggest that Georgia got a good 'start' as if this was a surprise attack is wrong. Russia didn't mobilize these thousands of troops, tanks and aircraft over the weekend - the 'joint' peacekeeping force has seen Russia massing troops and equipment all year. Back in April, NATO was warning Russia about the troop buildup in both South Ossetia and Abkhazia. From this it would seem that both sides have been planning for a conflict for a long time.

Georgia has made 2 fatal mistakes. They baited Russia a little bit too much and have got a nasty surprise in return. The second mistake was to think that NATO troops would roll in to help, or an American carrier would arrive in the Black Sea. Georgia, it would seem, is lower in the food chain than Israel or Taiwan. We've not seen very much at all beyond a few words. The US has can only lose from a conflict here - they can't get involved because if it escalates they don't have the resources what with being in Iraq.

[quote:15f4827o]
It'll be interesting to see what will happen with the Georgian-proper territory that the Russians have (apparently) occupied. If Russia gets away with this, and I think they will, the next place on their shopping list will be Ukraine. Most countries in Europe should be extremely alarmed.

Oh, I don't know about that. I think you should go look at a map.[/quote:15f4827o]

Not sure what you mean? I shall explain myself further:

1. Russia has admitted it is beyond the breakaway territories.

2. Ukraine's Crimea region can be strongly compared with South Ossetia. A semi-autonomous population with a large Russian population. Ukraine is also out of favour with Putin because it's turned west.

Khrushchev signed it over to Ukraine in the 50s and the so-called 'Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership' by which Russia recognized the present borders of Ukraine is going to expire in December 2008.

3. Finally, we have this from other worried European nations:

We, the leaders of the former captive nations from Eastern Europe and current members of the European Union and NATO– Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland – are extremely concerned about the actions of the Russian Federation against Georgia...

 

[smithy]

That weapons report hasn't appeared anywhere else. As the Russians have been attacking journalists, the fog of war is thicker than usual. The Georgia PR machine seems to be doing a rather better job than the Russians.

The Georgian PR machine is American. You will doubtless see more of their stuff in the West. Russia's point of view will play more in Russia.

Is that the same American PR machine that ran Israel's PR-disaster during their Hezbollah War in 2006? Just because the PR machine is American, it's not guarenteed to win a PR war.

The fact that Ossetia broke away from Georgia and has been "independent" since 1991 - more or less under Russian protection but it was patrolled by a joint peace keeping force - is not as known in the West as it is in Russia. The Russian report that Georgian peacekeepers started shooting at Russian peace keepers, killing 11, may be propaganda though it may be true. The Georgians certainly got a good and quick start on the fighting though. Of course, they must have been confident in US backing or they were just crazy if they thought Russia would stay out since the Russians have been holding big visible exercises nearby just to let everyone know how they felt.

To suggest that Georgia got a good 'start' as if this was a surprise attack is wrong. Russia didn't mobilize these thousands of troops, tanks and aircraft over the weekend - the 'joint' peacekeeping force has seen Russia massing troops and equipment all year. Back in April, NATO was warning Russia about the troop buildup in both South Ossetia and Abkhazia. From this it would seem that both sides have been planning for a conflict for a long time.

Georgia has made 2 fatal mistakes. They baited Russia a little bit too much and have got a nasty surprise in return. The second mistake was to think that NATO troops would roll in to help, or an American carrier would arrive in the Black Sea. Georgia, it would seem, is lower in the food chain than Israel or Taiwan. We've not seen very much at all beyond a few words. The US has can only lose from a conflict here - they can't get involved because if it escalates they don't have the resources what with being in Iraq.

[quote:15f4827o]
It'll be interesting to see what will happen with the Georgian-proper territory that the Russians have (apparently) occupied. If Russia gets away with this, and I think they will, the next place on their shopping list will be Ukraine. Most countries in Europe should be extremely alarmed.

Oh, I don't know about that. I think you should go look at a map.[/quote:15f4827o]

Not sure what you mean? I shall explain myself further:

1. Russia has admitted it is beyond the breakaway territories.

2. Ukraine's Crimea region can be strongly compared with South Ossetia. A semi-autonomous population with a large Russian population. Ukraine is also out of favour with Putin because it's turned west.

Khrushchev signed it over to Ukraine in the 50s and the so-called 'Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership' by which Russia recognized the present borders of Ukraine is going to expire in December 2008.

3. Finally, we have this from other worried European nations:

We, the leaders of the former captive nations from Eastern Europe and current members of the European Union and NATO– Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland – are extremely concerned about the actions of the Russian Federation against Georgia...

 

[smithy]

That weapons report hasn't appeared anywhere else. As the Russians have been attacking journalists, the fog of war is thicker than usual. The Georgia PR machine seems to be doing a rather better job than the Russians.

The Georgian PR machine is American. You will doubtless see more of their stuff in the West. Russia's point of view will play more in Russia.

Is that the same American PR machine that ran Israel's PR-disaster during their Hezbollah War in 2006? Just because the PR machine is American, it's not guarenteed to win a PR war.

The fact that Ossetia broke away from Georgia and has been "independent" since 1991 - more or less under Russian protection but it was patrolled by a joint peace keeping force - is not as known in the West as it is in Russia. The Russian report that Georgian peacekeepers started shooting at Russian peace keepers, killing 11, may be propaganda though it may be true. The Georgians certainly got a good and quick start on the fighting though. Of course, they must have been confident in US backing or they were just crazy if they thought Russia would stay out since the Russians have been holding big visible exercises nearby just to let everyone know how they felt.

To suggest that Georgia got a good 'start' as if this was a surprise attack is wrong. Russia didn't mobilize these thousands of troops, tanks and aircraft over the weekend - the 'joint' peacekeeping force has seen Russia massing troops and equipment all year. Back in April, NATO was warning Russia about the troop buildup in both South Ossetia and Abkhazia. From this it would seem that both sides have been planning for a conflict for a long time.

Georgia has made 2 fatal mistakes. They baited Russia a little bit too much and have got a nasty surprise in return. The second mistake was to think that NATO troops would roll in to help, or an American carrier would arrive in the Black Sea. Georgia, it would seem, is lower in the food chain than Israel or Taiwan. We've not seen very much at all beyond a few words. The US has can only lose from a conflict here - they can't get involved because if it escalates they don't have the resources what with being in Iraq.

[quote:15f4827o]
It'll be interesting to see what will happen with the Georgian-proper territory that the Russians have (apparently) occupied. If Russia gets away with this, and I think they will, the next place on their shopping list will be Ukraine. Most countries in Europe should be extremely alarmed.

Oh, I don't know about that. I think you should go look at a map.[/quote:15f4827o]

Not sure what you mean? I shall explain myself further:

1. Russia has admitted it is beyond the breakaway territories.

2. Ukraine's Crimea region can be strongly compared with South Ossetia. A semi-autonomous population with a large Russian population. Ukraine is also out of favour with Putin because it's turned west.

Khrushchev signed it over to Ukraine in the 50s and the so-called 'Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership' by which Russia recognized the present borders of Ukraine is going to expire in December 2008.

3. Finally, we have this from other worried European nations:

We, the leaders of the former captive nations from Eastern Europe and current members of the European Union and NATO– Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland – are extremely concerned about the actions of the Russian Federation against Georgia...

 

[smithy]

That weapons report hasn't appeared anywhere else. As the Russians have been attacking journalists, the fog of war is thicker than usual. The Georgia PR machine seems to be doing a rather better job than the Russians.

The Georgian PR machine is American. You will doubtless see more of their stuff in the West. Russia's point of view will play more in Russia.

Is that the same American PR machine that ran Israel's PR-disaster during their Hezbollah War in 2006? Just because the PR machine is American, it's not guarenteed to win a PR war.

The fact that Ossetia broke away from Georgia and has been "independent" since 1991 - more or less under Russian protection but it was patrolled by a joint peace keeping force - is not as known in the West as it is in Russia. The Russian report that Georgian peacekeepers started shooting at Russian peace keepers, killing 11, may be propaganda though it may be true. The Georgians certainly got a good and quick start on the fighting though. Of course, they must have been confident in US backing or they were just crazy if they thought Russia would stay out since the Russians have been holding big visible exercises nearby just to let everyone know how they felt.

To suggest that Georgia got a good 'start' as if this was a surprise attack is wrong. Russia didn't mobilize these thousands of troops, tanks and aircraft over the weekend - the 'joint' peacekeeping force has seen Russia massing troops and equipment all year. Back in April, NATO was warning Russia about the troop buildup in both South Ossetia and Abkhazia. From this it would seem that both sides have been planning for a conflict for a long time.

Georgia has made 2 fatal mistakes. They baited Russia a little bit too much and have got a nasty surprise in return. The second mistake was to think that NATO troops would roll in to help, or an American carrier would arrive in the Black Sea. Georgia, it would seem, is lower in the food chain than Israel or Taiwan. We've not seen very much at all beyond a few words. The US has can only lose from a conflict here - they can't get involved because if it escalates they don't have the resources what with being in Iraq.

[quote:15f4827o]
It'll be interesting to see what will happen with the Georgian-proper territory that the Russians have (apparently) occupied. If Russia gets away with this, and I think they will, the next place on their shopping list will be Ukraine. Most countries in Europe should be extremely alarmed.

Oh, I don't know about that. I think you should go look at a map.[/quote:15f4827o]

Not sure what you mean? I shall explain myself further:

1. Russia has admitted it is beyond the breakaway territories.

2. Ukraine's Crimea region can be strongly compared with South Ossetia. A semi-autonomous population with a large Russian population. Ukraine is also out of favour with Putin because it's turned west.

Khrushchev signed it over to Ukraine in the 50s and the so-called 'Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership' by which Russia recognized the present borders of Ukraine is going to expire in December 2008.

3. Finally, we have this from other worried European nations:

We, the leaders of the former captive nations from Eastern Europe and current members of the European Union and NATO– Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland – are extremely concerned about the actions of the Russian Federation against Georgia...

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Of course, they must have been confident in US backing or they were just crazy if they thought Russia would stay out since the Russians have been holding big visible exercises nearby just to let everyone know how they felt.

To suggest that Georgia got a good 'start' as if this was a surprise attack is wrong. Russia didn't mobilize these thousands of troops, tanks and aircraft over the weekend - the 'joint' peacekeeping force has seen Russia massing troops and equipment all year.

That's what I said. The Russians already had their troops their and were parading them about to discourage exactly this sort of thing. The Georgians had just a week ago completed their own exercises which included US and Israeli advisers and US troops. It's quite likely that NATO had a hand in planning this.

It is also quite likely that the US expected this sort of response. The question is why would they want it? Perhaps they just wanted to weaken Russia diplomatically. I can't imagine that they want to go head to head, but to muddy the image of Russia to weaken her influence with Europe, to drive a wedge might be reason enough to sacrifice a few Georgians. They probably also didn't want Russia running down into Georgia itself but they have a strong legitimate claim to hot pursuit. They'll probably try to smash up as much US equipment and NATO bases as possible before falling back with a magnanimous "Okay, let's talk".


[quote:20wfas3g]
[quote:20wfas3g]

Oh, I don't know about that. I think you should go look at a map.

Not sure what you mean?[/quote:20wfas3g][/quote:20wfas3g]

I just mean that you should get a map and look at it. Here's one with the extra added advantage that it has some squiggly lines on it.

You see the green line? That's Russia's pipeline from the Caspian. You see the blue line? That's the US sponsored competitive oil pipeline. Cutting across the little sliver of land that separates Russia from Iran. This is an extremely strategic route and it is one reason that Russia does NOT want to see Iran destabilized and why the US does. Ukraine would be an annoying and dangerous distraction right now. I'm not saying that doesn't mean that there won't be action there, but if there is it isn't in Russia's immediate interest so they won't be starting it. It would help the US though.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Of course, they must have been confident in US backing or they were just crazy if they thought Russia would stay out since the Russians have been holding big visible exercises nearby just to let everyone know how they felt.

To suggest that Georgia got a good 'start' as if this was a surprise attack is wrong. Russia didn't mobilize these thousands of troops, tanks and aircraft over the weekend - the 'joint' peacekeeping force has seen Russia massing troops and equipment all year.

That's what I said. The Russians already had their troops their and were parading them about to discourage exactly this sort of thing. The Georgians had just a week ago completed their own exercises which included US and Israeli advisers and US troops. It's quite likely that NATO had a hand in planning this.

It is also quite likely that the US expected this sort of response. The question is why would they want it? Perhaps they just wanted to weaken Russia diplomatically. I can't imagine that they want to go head to head, but to muddy the image of Russia to weaken her influence with Europe, to drive a wedge might be reason enough to sacrifice a few Georgians. They probably also didn't want Russia running down into Georgia itself but they have a strong legitimate claim to hot pursuit. They'll probably try to smash up as much US equipment and NATO bases as possible before falling back with a magnanimous "Okay, let's talk".


[quote:20wfas3g]
[quote:20wfas3g]

Oh, I don't know about that. I think you should go look at a map.

Not sure what you mean?[/quote:20wfas3g][/quote:20wfas3g]

I just mean that you should get a map and look at it. Here's one with the extra added advantage that it has some squiggly lines on it.

You see the green line? That's Russia's pipeline from the Caspian. You see the blue line? That's the US sponsored competitive oil pipeline. Cutting across the little sliver of land that separates Russia from Iran. This is an extremely strategic route and it is one reason that Russia does NOT want to see Iran destabilized and why the US does. Ukraine would be an annoying and dangerous distraction right now. I'm not saying that doesn't mean that there won't be action there, but if there is it isn't in Russia's immediate interest so they won't be starting it. It would help the US though.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Of course, they must have been confident in US backing or they were just crazy if they thought Russia would stay out since the Russians have been holding big visible exercises nearby just to let everyone know how they felt.

To suggest that Georgia got a good 'start' as if this was a surprise attack is wrong. Russia didn't mobilize these thousands of troops, tanks and aircraft over the weekend - the 'joint' peacekeeping force has seen Russia massing troops and equipment all year.

That's what I said. The Russians already had their troops their and were parading them about to discourage exactly this sort of thing. The Georgians had just a week ago completed their own exercises which included US and Israeli advisers and US troops. It's quite likely that NATO had a hand in planning this.

It is also quite likely that the US expected this sort of response. The question is why would they want it? Perhaps they just wanted to weaken Russia diplomatically. I can't imagine that they want to go head to head, but to muddy the image of Russia to weaken her influence with Europe, to drive a wedge might be reason enough to sacrifice a few Georgians. They probably also didn't want Russia running down into Georgia itself but they have a strong legitimate claim to hot pursuit. They'll probably try to smash up as much US equipment and NATO bases as possible before falling back with a magnanimous "Okay, let's talk".


[quote:20wfas3g]
[quote:20wfas3g]

Oh, I don't know about that. I think you should go look at a map.

Not sure what you mean?[/quote:20wfas3g][/quote:20wfas3g]

I just mean that you should get a map and look at it. Here's one with the extra added advantage that it has some squiggly lines on it.

You see the green line? That's Russia's pipeline from the Caspian. You see the blue line? That's the US sponsored competitive oil pipeline. Cutting across the little sliver of land that separates Russia from Iran. This is an extremely strategic route and it is one reason that Russia does NOT want to see Iran destabilized and why the US does. Ukraine would be an annoying and dangerous distraction right now. I'm not saying that doesn't mean that there won't be action there, but if there is it isn't in Russia's immediate interest so they won't be starting it. It would help the US though.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Of course, they must have been confident in US backing or they were just crazy if they thought Russia would stay out since the Russians have been holding big visible exercises nearby just to let everyone know how they felt.

To suggest that Georgia got a good 'start' as if this was a surprise attack is wrong. Russia didn't mobilize these thousands of troops, tanks and aircraft over the weekend - the 'joint' peacekeeping force has seen Russia massing troops and equipment all year.

That's what I said. The Russians already had their troops their and were parading them about to discourage exactly this sort of thing. The Georgians had just a week ago completed their own exercises which included US and Israeli advisers and US troops. It's quite likely that NATO had a hand in planning this.

It is also quite likely that the US expected this sort of response. The question is why would they want it? Perhaps they just wanted to weaken Russia diplomatically. I can't imagine that they want to go head to head, but to muddy the image of Russia to weaken her influence with Europe, to drive a wedge might be reason enough to sacrifice a few Georgians. They probably also didn't want Russia running down into Georgia itself but they have a strong legitimate claim to hot pursuit. They'll probably try to smash up as much US equipment and NATO bases as possible before falling back with a magnanimous "Okay, let's talk".


[quote:20wfas3g]
[quote:20wfas3g]

Oh, I don't know about that. I think you should go look at a map.

Not sure what you mean?[/quote:20wfas3g][/quote:20wfas3g]

I just mean that you should get a map and look at it. Here's one with the extra added advantage that it has some squiggly lines on it.

You see the green line? That's Russia's pipeline from the Caspian. You see the blue line? That's the US sponsored competitive oil pipeline. Cutting across the little sliver of land that separates Russia from Iran. This is an extremely strategic route and it is one reason that Russia does NOT want to see Iran destabilized and why the US does. Ukraine would be an annoying and dangerous distraction right now. I'm not saying that doesn't mean that there won't be action there, but if there is it isn't in Russia's immediate interest so they won't be starting it. It would help the US though.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Of course, they must have been confident in US backing or they were just crazy if they thought Russia would stay out since the Russians have been holding big visible exercises nearby just to let everyone know how they felt.

To suggest that Georgia got a good 'start' as if this was a surprise attack is wrong. Russia didn't mobilize these thousands of troops, tanks and aircraft over the weekend - the 'joint' peacekeeping force has seen Russia massing troops and equipment all year.

That's what I said. The Russians already had their troops their and were parading them about to discourage exactly this sort of thing. The Georgians had just a week ago completed their own exercises which included US and Israeli advisers and US troops. It's quite likely that NATO had a hand in planning this.

It is also quite likely that the US expected this sort of response. The question is why would they want it? Perhaps they just wanted to weaken Russia diplomatically. I can't imagine that they want to go head to head, but to muddy the image of Russia to weaken her influence with Europe, to drive a wedge might be reason enough to sacrifice a few Georgians. They probably also didn't want Russia running down into Georgia itself but they have a strong legitimate claim to hot pursuit. They'll probably try to smash up as much US equipment and NATO bases as possible before falling back with a magnanimous "Okay, let's talk".


[quote:20wfas3g]
[quote:20wfas3g]

Oh, I don't know about that. I think you should go look at a map.

Not sure what you mean?[/quote:20wfas3g][/quote:20wfas3g]

I just mean that you should get a map and look at it. Here's one with the extra added advantage that it has some squiggly lines on it.

You see the green line? That's Russia's pipeline from the Caspian. You see the blue line? That's the US sponsored competitive oil pipeline. Cutting across the little sliver of land that separates Russia from Iran. This is an extremely strategic route and it is one reason that Russia does NOT want to see Iran destabilized and why the US does. Ukraine would be an annoying and dangerous distraction right now. I'm not saying that doesn't mean that there won't be action there, but if there is it isn't in Russia's immediate interest so they won't be starting it. It would help the US though.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Of course, they must have been confident in US backing or they were just crazy if they thought Russia would stay out since the Russians have been holding big visible exercises nearby just to let everyone know how they felt.

To suggest that Georgia got a good 'start' as if this was a surprise attack is wrong. Russia didn't mobilize these thousands of troops, tanks and aircraft over the weekend - the 'joint' peacekeeping force has seen Russia massing troops and equipment all year.

That's what I said. The Russians already had their troops their and were parading them about to discourage exactly this sort of thing. The Georgians had just a week ago completed their own exercises which included US and Israeli advisers and US troops. It's quite likely that NATO had a hand in planning this.

It is also quite likely that the US expected this sort of response. The question is why would they want it? Perhaps they just wanted to weaken Russia diplomatically. I can't imagine that they want to go head to head, but to muddy the image of Russia to weaken her influence with Europe, to drive a wedge might be reason enough to sacrifice a few Georgians. They probably also didn't want Russia running down into Georgia itself but they have a strong legitimate claim to hot pursuit. They'll probably try to smash up as much US equipment and NATO bases as possible before falling back with a magnanimous "Okay, let's talk".


[quote:20wfas3g]
[quote:20wfas3g]

Oh, I don't know about that. I think you should go look at a map.

Not sure what you mean?[/quote:20wfas3g][/quote:20wfas3g]

I just mean that you should get a map and look at it. Here's one with the extra added advantage that it has some squiggly lines on it.

You see the green line? That's Russia's pipeline from the Caspian. You see the blue line? That's the US sponsored competitive oil pipeline. Cutting across the little sliver of land that separates Russia from Iran. This is an extremely strategic route and it is one reason that Russia does NOT want to see Iran destabilized and why the US does. Ukraine would be an annoying and dangerous distraction right now. I'm not saying that doesn't mean that there won't be action there, but if there is it isn't in Russia's immediate interest so they won't be starting it. It would help the US though.

 

[redrumloa]

Parallels are being made with Neville Chamberlain's appeasing of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/152012

Just when you thought the red threat was over.. :x

 

[redrumloa]

Parallels are being made with Neville Chamberlain's appeasing of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/152012

Just when you thought the red threat was over.. :x

 

[redrumloa]

Parallels are being made with Neville Chamberlain's appeasing of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/152012

Just when you thought the red threat was over.. :x

 

[redrumloa]

Parallels are being made with Neville Chamberlain's appeasing of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/152012

Just when you thought the red threat was over.. :x

 

[redrumloa]

Parallels are being made with Neville Chamberlain's appeasing of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/152012

Just when you thought the red threat was over.. :x

 

[redrumloa]

Parallels are being made with Neville Chamberlain's appeasing of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/152012

Just when you thought the red threat was over.. :x

 

[metalman]

Many here don't like to think that the US plays any geopolitical games to control access to and control over commodities. Would those people feel that the accusation would carry weightif Russia was doing it?

And from the opposite of the fence, Where are the marchers for peace?.

Beaten long ago. We haven't seen any big marches since they failed to stop the invasion of Iraq. It's been shown to be monumentally pointless. Gone is the pretense that leaders listen to the people.

Did the UN approve this and where does international law stand on the Russian attack on Georgia?? No Blood for Oil!

When Russian tanks roll, Peace marchers stay home, because Russia is liberating the Georgians who are being victimized by the nasty evil American imperialists into becoming more democratic and more economically successful than Russia. Therefore, Russia has every right to assert her influence in the region and protect her interests and restore the Russian geopolitical territory.

 

[metalman]

Many here don't like to think that the US plays any geopolitical games to control access to and control over commodities. Would those people feel that the accusation would carry weightif Russia was doing it?

And from the opposite of the fence, Where are the marchers for peace?.

Beaten long ago. We haven't seen any big marches since they failed to stop the invasion of Iraq. It's been shown to be monumentally pointless. Gone is the pretense that leaders listen to the people.

Did the UN approve this and where does international law stand on the Russian attack on Georgia?? No Blood for Oil!

When Russian tanks roll, Peace marchers stay home, because Russia is liberating the Georgians who are being victimized by the nasty evil American imperialists into becoming more democratic and more economically successful than Russia. Therefore, Russia has every right to assert her influence in the region and protect her interests and restore the Russian geopolitical territory.

 

[metalman]

Many here don't like to think that the US plays any geopolitical games to control access to and control over commodities. Would those people feel that the accusation would carry weightif Russia was doing it?

And from the opposite of the fence, Where are the marchers for peace?.

Beaten long ago. We haven't seen any big marches since they failed to stop the invasion of Iraq. It's been shown to be monumentally pointless. Gone is the pretense that leaders listen to the people.

Did the UN approve this and where does international law stand on the Russian attack on Georgia?? No Blood for Oil!

When Russian tanks roll, Peace marchers stay home, because Russia is liberating the Georgians who are being victimized by the nasty evil American imperialists into becoming more democratic and more economically successful than Russia. Therefore, Russia has every right to assert her influence in the region and protect her interests and restore the Russian geopolitical territory.

 

[metalman]

Many here don't like to think that the US plays any geopolitical games to control access to and control over commodities. Would those people feel that the accusation would carry weightif Russia was doing it?

And from the opposite of the fence, Where are the marchers for peace?.

Beaten long ago. We haven't seen any big marches since they failed to stop the invasion of Iraq. It's been shown to be monumentally pointless. Gone is the pretense that leaders listen to the people.

Did the UN approve this and where does international law stand on the Russian attack on Georgia?? No Blood for Oil!

When Russian tanks roll, Peace marchers stay home, because Russia is liberating the Georgians who are being victimized by the nasty evil American imperialists into becoming more democratic and more economically successful than Russia. Therefore, Russia has every right to assert her influence in the region and protect her interests and restore the Russian geopolitical territory.