Is cycle 24 stalling?

The oil companies need us to keep needing oil....
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That something as obvious as this has to be spelt out to some people is staggering.
 
Robert said:
Wouldn't make a bit of difference if it had - the wilfully blind would just move the goalposts again, same as always.
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I know what you mean, I'm still waiting on the Ice Age (Global Cooling) that those very same scientist said was going to happen for sure back in the 1970s.

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Come on man, Global Cooling is for REAL, the SCIENTISTS says so!
 
Robert said:
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You, on the other hand, have children to think about.
The idea that anyone with children thinks the best thing to do for their future is to pump more filth into the atmosphere is truly baffling.
Even if the evidence for global warming was incredibly flimsy it would be baffling.
The evidence is not incredibly flimsy.
It is not even remotely flimsy.
On the contrary, it is compelling to the point that it's now only a few "outliers" that dispute it.
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I only have a nephew and my cousins in Belgium (one of which just had a baby) and I wonder what they will do.

I just don't understand how anyone can be so unfeeling and selfish
 
As an example to Red, a buddy of mine here built his own house from the ground up. When he did so, he chose to build a geothermal system to heat his house. He basically buried a bunch of liquid filled tubes deep below his house and this transfers the earths heat into his house. It's enough to keep him warm throughout the winter. That cuts out the natural gas needed for furnaces, which btw is very expensive stuff. Electricity however is practically free here, thanks to all our hydro electric dams. We have so much electricity here we sell it to Ontario and the US. The real problem is that you can sell electricity only so far from the source as the cables lose power over large distances. If however we could come up with better cables to "ship" electricity all the way to Florida, you could choose to by your electricity from Manitoba Hydro instead of your local company. Wouldn't that be a great "green" investment?
 
Dammy said:
I know what you mean, I'm still waiting on the Ice Age (Global Cooling) that those very same scientist said was going to happen for sure back in the 1970s.
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First of all, "Time" is not a scientific journal.
Secondly, whilst you would be correct to say that a number of scientists did publish papers predicting cooling, it would only be fair to point out that a greater number published papers predicting global warming.

So your post demonstrates one of two possibilities:
1. You already know this and are being deliberately disingenuous.
2. You haven't looked into the science at all , despite much talk of science in your posts.

If it's the first possibility, allow me to congratulate you for convincing me that it's second.
If it's the second, perhaps you should actually do some research before so gleefully demonstrating your ignorance.
 
You guys seem to be confusing me with someone who is against alternative energy, it is clouding your ability comprehend my position on things. Put it this way, when you were a kid could you have imagined banks were allowed to get so big they were Too Big To Fail? What makes you think the big energy companies won't be the next Too Big to Fail industries? I don't want this, so my point is keep your eyes open and oppose any nonsense.
 
redrumloa said:
You guys seem to be confusing me with someone who is against alternative energy, it is clouding your ability comprehend my position on things.
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OK, so imagine that meeting Kyoto targets requires a serious investment in researching and implementing alternative energy - would you be against such a thing?
What makes you think the big energy companies won't be the next Too Big to Fail industries?
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Perhaps they are which would explain why alternative energy keeps getting it in the neck and the government is pressured to drill and acquire oil bearing territories around the world on the public dime - and why it is so important to undermine the science behind the need for alternatives to fossil fuels.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
OK, so imagine that meeting Kyoto targets requires a serious investment in researching and implementing alternative energy - would you be against such a thing?
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Of course, Kyoto is a globalist scam. Let the free market truly be free and alternative energies will get established. BTW, of course I am against oil subsidies as I am all subsidies.

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You have to keep in mind that the US market is so completely and totally gamed at this point, free market capitalism is nearly dead. We need to remove these roadblocks and return to a level playing field.
 
redrumloa said:
Let the free market truly be free and alternative energies will get established.
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The only way to let the free market be free is to allow some agency bigger than the market to regulate it and enforce the regulations. If this isn't done then the biggest player in the market gets to be the regulator and it will regulate the market to its own benefit. This is somewhat like the situation that we are in - the biggest companies now own the regulators and the regulatory process by using their money to get the politicians that are most helpful to them into elected office. To change this (and in theory it is still possible) it is necessary for "the people" to vote for representatives that will work in their interests and not in the interests of the companies. However, if that is ever discussed then the ruling classes will roll out the talking heads saying that this is just communism/socialism/class war/wealth redistribution - crack a few heads, pepper spray some "hippies" and then give the screw another turn to see if they can press any more wine out of the working class grapes.
 
redrumloa said:
Of course, Kyoto is a globalist scam. Let the free market truly be free and alternative energies will get established. BTW, of course I am against oil subsidies as I am all subsidies.
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Simple answer - there's no such thing as a level playing field and therefore there can never be a true free market.

And in related news Ayn Rand took the free government healthcare. So even the leader of these ideas understood in real life it doesn't work.
 
@redrumloa
I like the free market idea. One of the important considerations here is if the free market is covering the costs of their products. With oil and coal the answer is the companies are not seeing the true cost. Environmental and health impacts are often not costs the industry bears for its products.
Consider this http://arstechnica.com/#!/science/news/2012/03/counting-the-cost-the-hidden-price-of-coal-power.ars
If the coal market carried ALL cost the electricity would be much higher.

How do we drive the costs back to the original cause and not absorb them into other industries, the governments, or our homes as the hidden fees we do end up paying? Hiding the true cost in this manner stacks the deck unequally.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
That's pretty interesting now that I understand it. Effectively it gives the turbine a much bigger area without actually increasing the blade length so it collects energy from wind beyond its actual physical span. I'm going to have to try that.
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people just have to put their imagination into this
 
cecilia said:
people just have to put their imagination into this
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People with keen insight and a flair for aerodynamics, mind you. I thought it was just a regular cowl until they showed that the wide side was the downwind side. I'd say that's a bit non-obvious even with imagination. :)
 
faethor said:
How do we drive the costs back to the original cause and not absorb them into other industries, the governments, or our homes as the hidden fees we do end up paying?
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I know - we could levy a charge equivalent to the estimated externalities ... oh wait. That'll never get past the lobbyists.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
People with keen insight and a flair for aerodynamics, mind you. I thought it was just a regular cowl until they showed that the wide side was the downwind side. I'd say that's a bit non-obvious even with imagination. :)
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true :D and I really wish i did have that kind of imagination. At best all i can do is encourage those who do.
 
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