Ready for the next Ice Age? Winter is coming.

redrumloa said:
I personally prefer nuclear, though it is not without concerns either. Some "green" solutions have their place, but realistically only in limited applications with current tech.
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Then why do you feel the need to stick up for those who sell you burning coal?
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Then why do you feel the need to stick up for those who sell you burning coal?
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Why did your shadowy bogeyman suddenly shift from the oil industry to the coal industry?

Why do you ignore the political propaganda shown above? End justifies the means to you?
 
redrumloa said:
Why did your shadowy bogeyman suddenly shift from the oil industry to the coal industry?
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oil or coal. It's irrelevant. Coal is arguably more polluting but both industries are putting carbon into the atmosphere that has not been there for hundreds of millions of years.
Why do you ignore the political propaganda shown above? End justifies the means to you?
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Partly because the propaganda is thick on both sides - but mostly because the propaganda does not change the facts. The facts are that the climate IS sensitive to CO2 (and methane and water vapour, both of which are rising because of positive feedbacks from rising temperature and we are pretty much powerless to push back on those things) and we are putting a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere that cannot be absorbed into carbon sinks in anything like mere tens of thousands of years, but that is something we CAN do something about.
A lot of the energy we use, we do not NEED to use to maintain a decent lifestyle if we increase efficiencies (but we won't unless the cost of energy is pushed up to reflect the environmental debt we are accruing) and we don't NEED to use fossil fuels for energy - we have non CO2 alternatives.
However, oil and coal companies have lots of money but also lots of profit to lose, know how to buy politicians (and create FUD) and sell themselves as a strategic part of the economy since the US has spent a lot of time working on gaining control of the flow of oil and gas in particular around the planet and preventing alternatives from encroaching on its share. Any time you put a waste product into the environment faster than nature can degrade or absorb it, it will build up and there will be a future bill to pay. Just as with any debt, that fun you have with the credit card now, will cost you more in the future than what you get out of it now.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Partly because the propaganda is thick on both sides
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I've demonstrated countless obvious propaganda pieces exposing the AGW scam, but i cannot think of where you have ever demonstrated obvious propaganda exposing that AGW is genuine.

Maher: Hurricane Dorian ‘Definitely Global Warming-Inspired’

On Friday’s broadcast of HBO’s “Real Time,” host Bill Maher stated that Hurricane Dorian is a “souped-up” storm that is “inspired” by global warming.

Maher said, “The whole thing really with this storm just shows how the two parties are living in two completely different realities. While this definitely global warming-inspired, souped-up storm was wiping out yet another Caribbean island, Democrats, who are running for president, had a town hall about climate.”
 
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redrumloa said:
I've demonstrated countless obvious propaganda pieces exposing the AGW scam, but i cannot think of where you have ever demonstrated obvious propaganda exposing that AGW is genuine.
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FluffyMcDeath said:
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Not the best way to state it I suppose. I've shown clear examples of propaganda being used to promote the AGW scam. The propaganda is very clear, except to those fully indoctrinated into the cult of AGW.

What I've meant to say was you have not shown demonstrable examples of propaganda by those people / groups who oppose AGW. You often suggest groups like Big Oil companies, Big Coal companies spread propaganda, but I've not seen any concrete examples, only vague suggestions.

Meanwhile the pro-AGW cult propaganda machine keeps rolling. Let's roll out some fresh face kid, that always pulls at the heart strings! :rolleyes:

Climate Activist Greta Thunberg: Once You ‘Fully Understand’ Climate Emergency You Know What You Can Do

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“What I want people to do now is to become aware of the crisis that is here,” Thunberg explained. “I tell the world leaders when I speak to them and I tell them how it is … I tell them the science, how it looks.”

She later added after describing her tactic of “shaming” people into climate activism, “I think the most important thing to do right now is to try to understand the crisis, is to grasp the problem because I think that once you fully understand the climate and ecological emergency, then you know what you can do as well.”

World renowned climate scientist right there :rolleyes: How dare anyone oppose a fresh face kid? Are you a monster? :rolleyes:
 
You can set your calendar to this these days. You know it is the hottest days of the year when AGW nutters go to the Arctic expecting to prove it is ice free, and they get stuck in the ice.

Not Again! Arctic Tour Ship With 16 Climate Change Warriors Aboard Gets Stuck In Ice, CCWs Airlifted To Safety

Maritime.net reports that an Arctic tour ship carrying a Climate Change documentary film team and several tourists, ran into some ice last week. They had been shooting a documentary about climate change and melting Arctic ice. Yes, really.

The MS MALMO, a Swedish-flagged ship, was cruising off Longyearbyen, Svalbard Archipelago, halfway between Norway and the North Pole when it got stuck in ice. The vessel’s sixteen passengers had to be airlifted to safety under “challenging” conditions. According to Maritime.net, seven crew members remained aboard the ship as they awaited assistance from the Coast Guard.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1171063753913204737
 
redrumloa said:
You can set your calendar to this these days. You know it is the hottest days of the year when AGW nutters go to the Arctic expecting to prove it is ice free, and they get stuck in the ice.

Not Again! Arctic Tour Ship With 16 Climate Change Warriors Aboard Gets Stuck In Ice, CCWs Airlifted To Safety

Maritime.net reports that an Arctic tour ship carrying a Climate Change documentary film team and several tourists, ran into some ice last week. They had been shooting a documentary about climate change and melting Arctic ice. Yes, really.

The MS MALMO, a Swedish-flagged ship, was cruising off Longyearbyen, Svalbard Archipelago, halfway between Norway and the North Pole when it got stuck in ice. The vessel’s sixteen passengers had to be airlifted to safety under “challenging” conditions. According to Maritime.net, seven crew members remained aboard the ship as they awaited assistance from the Coast Guard.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1171063753913204737
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Here's the sea ice concentration map for today. The orange line is the median ice extent from 1981 to 2010. Notice that current extent is significantly less than that line - and that Svalbard is outside of that line, but by a stroke of bad luck there is ice near Svalbard. The ice does blow around quite a bit up there, especially when it is broken up, and it can move pretty quickly to trap a ship, especially near land where it can pile up and get thick.
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redrumloa said:
Not the best way to state it I suppose. I've shown clear examples of propaganda being used to promote the AGW scam. The propaganda is very clear, except to those fully indoctrinated into the cult of AGW.

What I've meant to say was you have not shown demonstrable examples of propaganda by those people / groups who oppose AGW. You often suggest groups like Big Oil companies, Big Coal companies spread propaganda, but I've not seen any concrete examples, only vague suggestions.
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World renowned climate scientist right there :rolleyes: How dare anyone oppose a fresh face kid? Are you a monster? :rolleyes:
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The thing about aspi kids is that they tend to be very fact based and not terribly aware of human motivations and politics.

As to examples of the propaganda, I think it would be hard to find a better start than the Union of Concerned Scientists who have a page outlining the main players and a page describing the playbook with examples of the plays drawn from many fields including climate science.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
The thing about aspi kids is that they tend to be very fact based and not terribly aware of human motivations and politics.
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And yet here we have the AGW cultists using her for their propaganda. They have no shame, just like the Jonestown they'd poison their own kids for the cult.

Greta Thunberg Joins Youth Climate Change Protest, 11-minute ‘Die-in’ to Mark Years Left for Earth

Swedish green teen Greta Thunberg, who started a global “Fridays for Future” school walkout movement to demand adults fight so-called manmade climate change, was at a protest at the White House on Friday where small children and teens carried signs and chanted against fossil fuels, corporations, capitalism, immigration laws, and the right to health care.
 
redrumloa said:
And the hits keep coming.

T MINUS 10: Desperate De Blasio Says Planet Earth Has ’10 Years Left,’ Calls for ‘Climate Strike’

https://twitter.com/x/status/1172186264075984896

What's next? We have 2 days to save the planet? Will that come right before the 2020 election?
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There are plenty of people who think that the chance to save the planet has already past. The actual end of everything is still in the future, possibly decades, but we have already past the point were we are technologically able to stop the processes we have started. There is considerable lag in the temperature and even if we stopped CO2 output (not cut back but completely stopped using fossil fuels and went strictly neutral, the warming will still go on for a century or more. The world won't suddenly end on any given day - it will just get progressively more ghastly until it kills you, and it won't be everywhere all at once.
It may just be heatstroke during a particularly bad week and the power goes down from air-con overload, or it could be a bad storm, collapsing your house on top of you which then pins you down as the flood water rises to an inch above your face for a couple of hours. It could be death in a food riot as you scabble to get your share, or later when it turns out that was the last share available for months, or maybe by hordes of desperate migrants fleeing untenable conditions further south trying to steal enough as they pass through that they can keep their families alive.
 
This is a long article but it's pretty interesting and features some exquisite photography:
The tiny algae at ground zero of Greenland's melting glaciers
Greenland’s ice melt has been adopted by the world as a bellwether for climate crisis, but the impact on biodiversity has been overlooked. At an ice station on a remote Arctic glacier, scientists are looking to the smallest of life forms to predict the pace of species extinction

Far from being barren places, glaciers represent more than 10% of our landmass and are teeming with biodiversity. They are spawning and breeding places not just for the familiar species like whales, arctic hares and foxes, polar bears, seals and muskoxen but also for bacteria, fungi and algae that have a vital role in the planet’s biodiversity. This team of microbiologists is attempting to decode the lives of these hidden creatures and their links to the ice melts across the polar caps. Algae blooms, these scientists say, are turning sun-reflecting glaciers into sun-absorbing hotspots.
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redrumloa said:
The propaganda continues. Have a greenie austistic kid celebrity testify before Congress as an "expert" and make laughable claims like this:
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Speaking English as a second language.

But, so you get a flood. The rain stops at some point, the water goes down. Everything will be back to normal, no harm. right?

The US got a bit wet too - corn crops are down a bit. No biggie - this time, but over time, small failures add up and the population of the planet is still growing. If food production doesn't keep up growth will stop - whether we want it to or not.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Speaking English as a second language.

But, so you get a flood. The rain stops at some point, the water goes down. Everything will be back to normal, no harm. right?

The US got a bit wet too - corn crops are down a bit. No biggie - this time, but over time, small failures add up and the population of the planet is still growing. If food production doesn't keep up growth will stop - whether we want it to or not.
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We've covered this group before, multiple times. All throughout human history there have been cycles of floods, droughts, and "normal". The Mayans were one of the largest and complex civilizations ever, and they were wiped out due to a very long prolonged drought, or 1,000 years ago. The pyramids of Egypt were built at a time the region was a tropical humid climate. The Dust Bowl was nearly a century ago. Etc, etc.
 
redrumloa said:
We've covered this group before, multiple times. All throughout human history there have been cycles of floods, droughts, and "normal". The Mayans were one of the largest and complex civilizations ever, and they were wiped out due to a very long prolonged drought, or 1,000 years ago. The pyramids of Egypt were built at a time the region was a tropical humid climate. The Dust Bowl was nearly a century ago. Etc, etc.
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Is it your opinion that since it is natural we should not try to do anything about it?

Would you also agree that cancer has always been with us therefore it can't be caused by smoking and therefore everyone should smoke a pack a day?
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Is it your opinion that since it is natural we should not try to do anything about it?
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Humans cannot control weather or natural disasters. No, I do not think we should be as arrogant enough to think we can reverse the natural order of the world. The idea of nuking hurricanes has been around as long as nukes. That would be an awful idea. In the 70s the "settled science" was we should have dusted the polar icecaps with black coal dust to melt the ice caps and stave off the impending ice age. How would that look under today's AGW hysterical eyes, or even normies eyes? Under current technology there is no way we'd have the energy, let alone the understand, to make any positive impact. We probably will never have the energy required, as it would be the energy of a star, just like light speed travel.

Would you also agree that cancer has always been with us therefore it can't be caused by smoking and therefore everyone should smoke a pack a day?
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Strawman. I've said a thousand times I have no issue with "green" technologies, as long as they are viable.LED lighting is approaching that viability, or it is already here in many applications. Wind mills? No, they do little more than kill birds and decimate natural habitats of countless species. Advancing "green" technologies in and of itself is not the problem. The problem is that's not the goal of the AGW cult. That goal is Global Communism and total control of the populace.
 
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