Ready for the next Ice Age? Winter is coming.

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FluffyMcDeath said:
Hilarious, Red. Care to point out the errors in the paper?
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the error is calculating the wind
NASA: global satellite measured wind display

Don't know how you can calculate a World wide VPD without also calculating a World wide wind direction
Normally there would be a large VPD here in the summer, BUT not this year, because the wind has been blowing westerly across the gulf all summer, 40-80% humidity and 100-110F is not a normal combination.

In the summer it normally would be 15% to 30% humidity at 100 -110F, a large VPD, because it's a desert in the summer and has native plants that are adapted to the summer desert conditions, This year everything is green rather than the normal brown, and about to have a few billion butterflies shortly, because no caterpillar has gone hungry

VPD is useful if you are growing plants in a greenhouse
 
metalman said:
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Don't know how you can calculate a World wide VPD without also calculating a World wide wind direction
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They say what they did in the paper. In fact, you only need go as far as the abstract:
They looked at measured data sets to determine VPD in geographical areas. Then they used satellite data on vegetation to gauge what the plant sensitivity to VPD was in those areas.
The data shows increasing VPD. The data show decreasing plant productivity. This study puts those two pieces together to quantify the relationship between VPD and plant productivity.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
They say what they did in the paper. In fact, you only need go as far as the abstract:
They looked at measured data sets to determine VPD in geographical areas. Then they used satellite data on vegetation to gauge what the plant sensitivity to VPD was in those areas.
The data shows increasing VPD. The data show decreasing plant productivity. This study puts those two pieces together to quantify the relationship between VPD and plant productivity.
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Yes, I read the abstract and the paper

I'm not disputing they measured it, or that it results in decreasing plant productivity, It is something that is closely monitored in a greenhouse environment. Don't know how much you looked at the NASA wind link, but I have had that in an open tab for months, wind is a chaos system, its a weather phenomenon, not climate
VPD depends on the wind direction over the ocean and land, therefor its variability is a weather event, not climate. VPD was very high here this year, but the native plants are acclimated to a desert environment, and they just don't respond to an Increase in VPD as much as a non-desert type plant would. Now in the spring and fall here it is no longer a desert, that is the rainy season ( fall is hurricane season)
 
metalman said:
Yes, I read the abstract and the paper

I'm not disputing they measured it, or that it results in decreasing plant productivity, It is something that is closely monitored in a greenhouse environment. Don't know how much you looked at the NASA wind link, but I have had that in an open tab for months, wind is a chaos system, its a weather phenomenon, not climate
VPD depends on the wind direction over the ocean and land, therefor its variability is a weather event, not climate. VPD was very high here this year, but the native plants are acclimated to a desert environment, and they just don't respond to an Increase in VPD as much as a non-desert type plant would. Now in the spring and fall here it is no longer a desert, that is the rainy season ( fall is hurricane season)
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Weather is what happens in the short term. Climate is the long term. Wind is weather. Variability of the wind is climate. This study covers several decades - i.e. climate.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Weather is what happens in the short term. Climate is the long term. Wind is weather. Variability of the wind is climate. This study covers several decades - i.e. climate.
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some weather patterns last for decades, el nino, la nina
 
metalman said:
some weather patterns last for decades, el nino, la nina
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Those are (more often referred to as) climate patterns. They cause disruptions in weather patterns. That is, they are large scale systems that shift weather all around the planet.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
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A little different as with Midwest flooding we're talking fresh water... But yeah, all the fresh water in the US is high. Those farms aren't going to get much of a break (if any). Levees are still way too high, though eased slightly from the breach levels in May and June. Across the Great Lakes, too, we're full-up everywhere. I've lived in the Great Lakes area my whole life, and never seen records like these. As far as anyone knows we hit all-time highs this year, and haven't really come down, yet. Water is still over the breakwalls at most of our marinas. We picked up more than 2 feet from the average water levels we had 2 years ago. We're still a good foot above the previous record 1986 and 1993 levels. And we're talking 100 years of pretty sound records.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...1/great-lakes-water-level-records/1705631001/
 
ilwrath said:
A little different as with Midwest flooding we're talking fresh water... But yeah, all the fresh water in the US is high.
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I'm sure it'll be fine in the end. Where humans. We'll just adapt. Let's all adapt to eating ... you know ... what's the name of that food that you don't have to grow?
 
Hurricane Dorian Abruptly Changes Course And That Isn’t Great News For The Climate Change Zealots

https://twitter.com/x/status/1167145246280441857

And, of course, some tied it to anthropogenic global warning, the apparent religion of the less-than-bright left.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1167120060105789440

Oops, it is going to miss Florida entirely now. It is pretty pathetic how AGW cultists point to individual hurricanes as proof of AGW with blank stares and dead eyes. Hurricanes have always been around, even before human history. The worst recorded hurricanes are not even within the last 50 years. But facts don't matter to AGW cultists, only how they feel about something. The feel orangemanbad, or something.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Are you in favour of burning coal for no reason?
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I personally prefer nuclear, though it is not without concerns either. Some "green" solutions have their place, but realistically only in limited applications with current tech.
 
The American Left think that their god AGW has taken revenge on the poor people of the Bahamas.

Bette Midler: Hurricane Dorian Is ‘Nature Taking Her Revenge’

After being ravaged by Hurricane Dorian, Bahamians have began rescue trips to help victims using jet skis and a bulldozer. The destruction from the storm so far has been widespread and catastrophic. The U.S. Coast Guard and Britain’s Royal Navy also assisted victims and laughed food gathering efforts as the storm head toward the U.S. east coast.
 
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