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Climate change: UK's record dry spell after extreme rainfall astounds Met Office

Low water levels in the Llwyn-on reservoir in Taf Fawr valley

Recent weather in the UK has been unprecedented and astounding, scientists say.
Sunshine in the period from March to the end of May has smashed the previous record by a “staggering” amount.
And it is even more extraordinary following a drenching winter, with record rain in February.
Meteorologists say they are amazed at the sudden switch from extreme wet to extreme dry – it is not “British” weather.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
This herring is red. There is plenty of evidence, so why do deniers keep going on about the consensus thing? Because they don't want to draw attention to the evidence.
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Because there is no such thing as "consensus" in science and no such thing as "settled science".

sci·en·tif·ic meth·od

noun

  1. a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
    "criticism is the backbone of the scientific method"
Global Warming is not about science, and this proves it. Their models are consistently wrong, and they blacklist any critics.

I hope this helps.
 
redrumloa said:
Because there is no such thing as "consensus" in science and no such thing as "settled science".

sci·en·tif·ic meth·od

noun

  1. a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
    "criticism is the backbone of the scientific method"
Global Warming is not about science, and this proves it. Their models are consistently wrong, and they blacklist any critics.

I hope this helps.
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How it works is when the science goes against you, attack something that isn't science - i.e. the consensus. Whether or not such a thing exists says nothing about whether human activity is causing an increase in green house gasses in the atmosphere (but measurably we are), and whether those gases trap heat (they do). Whether anyone can get a model that tells you exactly what is going to happen or not does not disprove the physics any more than getting the 5 day forecast wrong mean you don't understand the causes of weather. These systems are very sensitive to changes in the conditions.
 

Temperatures in the Arctic Circle are likely to have hit an all-time record on Saturday, reaching a scorching 38C (100F) in Verkhoyansk, a Siberian town.
The record still needs to be verified, but it appears to have been 18C higher than the average maximum daily temperature in June.
 
Robert said:
Siberia’s hot 2020 “effectively impossible” without global warming
As with many extreme weather events in recent years, a team of scientists has completed a rapid analysis of the role of climate change in all this. The scientists analyzed both that record high temperature and the warm January-to-June across the region, concluding “in both cases that this event would have effectively been impossible without human-induced climate change.”
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Record keeping started in 1979, what a ridiculously small sample size.

BTW, weather is climate again? Here you go.

Snow falls in Idaho's mountains, record cold in the valley

Published: 11:16 AM MDT June 29, 2020

Greg West posted of a photo on our Idaho Weather Watchers Facebook group of heavy snow east of Burgdorf on Sunday afternoon. West said the snowfall made for difficult driving and the temperature had dropped to 35 degrees.
 
redrumloa said:
Record keeping started in 1979, what a ridiculously small sample size.

BTW, weather is climate again? Here you go.

Snow falls in Idaho's mountains, record cold in the valley

Published: 11:16 AM MDT June 29, 2020

Greg West posted of a photo on our Idaho Weather Watchers Facebook group of heavy snow east of Burgdorf on Sunday afternoon. West said the snowfall made for difficult driving and the temperature had dropped to 35 degrees.
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Because an area larger than the US being 5 to 8C above normal is counterbalanced exactly by some snow up the mountains in Idaho.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Because an area larger than the US being 5 to 8C above normal is counterbalanced exactly by some snow up the mountains in Idaho.
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Because Idaho has been keeping temperature records since 1906, Siberia has only since 1979.
 
Robert said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1297447925128232966
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Um.
28 trillion tonnes of ice is 28x10^12 tonnes and 1 tonne = 10^3 kg so that's 28x10^15 kg
Latent heat of ice is 334 kJ/kg so it takes 28x334x10^15 kJ to melt that ice.
The atmosphere weighs about 5.148x10^18 kg and the specific heat of air is between 1 and 0.7 kJ/kg (so let's say 8.5 kJ/kg)
So 0.85x5.148x10^18 kJ of energy would heat the atmosphere by 1 C
Therefore, the amount of heat the environment absorbed to melt that ice, if it were put into the atmosphere instead, would raise the temperature by:

(28x334x10^15)/(0.85x5.148x10^18) = 9352/(4.37580x10^3) = 9352/4375.8 = 2.137 C or about 3.85 F
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Um.
28 trillion tonnes of ice is 28x10^12 tonnes and 1 tonne = 10^3 kg so that's 28x10^15 kg
Latent heat of ice is 334 kJ/kg so it takes 28x334x10^15 kJ to melt that ice.
The atmosphere weighs about 5.148x10^18 kg and the specific heat of air is between 1 and 0.7 kJ/kg (so let's say 8.5 kJ/kg)
So 0.85x5.148x10^18 kJ of energy would heat the atmosphere by 1 C
Therefore, the amount of heat the environment absorbed to melt that ice, if it were put into the atmosphere instead, would raise the temperature by:

(28x334x10^15)/(0.85x5.148x10^18) = 9352/(4.37580x10^3) = 9352/4375.8 = 2.137 C or about 3.85 F
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The article has the average increase in temperature at 0.85 of a degree over 100+ years so perhaps the arithmetic in the paper is off?
The authors of the paper are listed here, if you want to let them know.
 
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