Sibel Edmonds - survey

[Glaucus]

If I were to rate the #1 thing I hate about Whyzzat, is exactly what you said above. This site and Amiga.org's coffee house before used to be about discusssions, very seldom is that true now. Its all about look at this article on Wikipedia, look over here on Tiggerpedia (I do like that btw), look here at Fox, etc. With very few actual opinions from the actual people here.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but i don't really see it that way at all. I see it as a kind of mix between the two. Wayne asked for some info on the subject. I think a link to the wikipedia would be a good unbiased source. If you want to add your opinions on top of that, no one is stopping you. I think Fluffy does that. He provides a link and his own commentary. It adds weight to his argument.

And ya, for some strange reason I like Tiggerpedia too. I think I'll TM it. But I'll let ya use it royalty free. See how nice i am?

Probably anyone that has a clearance has had a briefing of some type about Ms Edmonds exploits, I'm tired of having to have special meetings about look how dumb this person is, I'm working 60 hour weeks these days, I dont need to go a special meeting to "relearn" that providing classified info to non classified personnel is illegal, I learned that the first 20x I took the course, I shouldnt have to take a refresher because someone in the FBI didnt learn that lesson.

Well, like I said, I know little about this so I can't speak with authority here. However, if she was brought into the FBI and witnessed things that are illegal, then it doesn't matter if she's trained or not - they're still illegal. the problem with a lot of that training is that they condition you to accept what "normal" people might not. It seems to me you think that if a government does something illegal it's alright so long as it's "classified". Um, I don't think it's supposed to work that way, but clearly your government works under that principle.

- Mike

 

[Glaucus]

If I were to rate the #1 thing I hate about Whyzzat, is exactly what you said above. This site and Amiga.org's coffee house before used to be about discusssions, very seldom is that true now. Its all about look at this article on Wikipedia, look over here on Tiggerpedia (I do like that btw), look here at Fox, etc. With very few actual opinions from the actual people here.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but i don't really see it that way at all. I see it as a kind of mix between the two. Wayne asked for some info on the subject. I think a link to the wikipedia would be a good unbiased source. If you want to add your opinions on top of that, no one is stopping you. I think Fluffy does that. He provides a link and his own commentary. It adds weight to his argument.

And ya, for some strange reason I like Tiggerpedia too. I think I'll TM it. But I'll let ya use it royalty free. See how nice i am?

Probably anyone that has a clearance has had a briefing of some type about Ms Edmonds exploits, I'm tired of having to have special meetings about look how dumb this person is, I'm working 60 hour weeks these days, I dont need to go a special meeting to "relearn" that providing classified info to non classified personnel is illegal, I learned that the first 20x I took the course, I shouldnt have to take a refresher because someone in the FBI didnt learn that lesson.

Well, like I said, I know little about this so I can't speak with authority here. However, if she was brought into the FBI and witnessed things that are illegal, then it doesn't matter if she's trained or not - they're still illegal. the problem with a lot of that training is that they condition you to accept what "normal" people might not. It seems to me you think that if a government does something illegal it's alright so long as it's "classified". Um, I don't think it's supposed to work that way, but clearly your government works under that principle.

- Mike

 

[faethor]

Well, like I said, I know little about this so I can't speak with authority here. However, if she was brought into the FBI and witnessed things that are illegal, then it doesn't matter if she's trained or not - they're still illegal. the problem with a lot of that training is that they condition you to accept what "normal" people might not. It seems to me you think that if a government does something illegal it's alright so long as it's "classified". Um, I don't think it's supposed to work that way, but clearly your government works under that principle.

A great description of a problem. Illegal activities are illegal. I'm sure Tigger is worried about whistle blowing in the proper fashion and that's all good. I will disagree with that. Whistle blowing is sometimes necessary in unproper fashions especially when those channels serve to block fixing of the problem. We have seen repeatedly under the last 7 years that silencing the whistle blowers, who btw seem to be more often correct, is a much easier strategy then facing up and dealing with problems. I think it has to do with the attempts of our government to construct plausible deniability.

Recently a list of 934 lies were compiled over what Bush sold us for Iraq. Someone needs to do the same for terrorism. Nov 2008 -- the end of an error.

 

[faethor]

Well, like I said, I know little about this so I can't speak with authority here. However, if she was brought into the FBI and witnessed things that are illegal, then it doesn't matter if she's trained or not - they're still illegal. the problem with a lot of that training is that they condition you to accept what "normal" people might not. It seems to me you think that if a government does something illegal it's alright so long as it's "classified". Um, I don't think it's supposed to work that way, but clearly your government works under that principle.

A great description of a problem. Illegal activities are illegal. I'm sure Tigger is worried about whistle blowing in the proper fashion and that's all good. I will disagree with that. Whistle blowing is sometimes necessary in unproper fashions especially when those channels serve to block fixing of the problem. We have seen repeatedly under the last 7 years that silencing the whistle blowers, who btw seem to be more often correct, is a much easier strategy then facing up and dealing with problems. I think it has to do with the attempts of our government to construct plausible deniability.

Recently a list of 934 lies were compiled over what Bush sold us for Iraq. Someone needs to do the same for terrorism. Nov 2008 -- the end of an error.

 

[faethor]

Well, like I said, I know little about this so I can't speak with authority here. However, if she was brought into the FBI and witnessed things that are illegal, then it doesn't matter if she's trained or not - they're still illegal. the problem with a lot of that training is that they condition you to accept what "normal" people might not. It seems to me you think that if a government does something illegal it's alright so long as it's "classified". Um, I don't think it's supposed to work that way, but clearly your government works under that principle.

A great description of a problem. Illegal activities are illegal. I'm sure Tigger is worried about whistle blowing in the proper fashion and that's all good. I will disagree with that. Whistle blowing is sometimes necessary in unproper fashions especially when those channels serve to block fixing of the problem. We have seen repeatedly under the last 7 years that silencing the whistle blowers, who btw seem to be more often correct, is a much easier strategy then facing up and dealing with problems. I think it has to do with the attempts of our government to construct plausible deniability.

Recently a list of 934 lies were compiled over what Bush sold us for Iraq. Someone needs to do the same for terrorism. Nov 2008 -- the end of an error.

 

[faethor]

Well, like I said, I know little about this so I can't speak with authority here. However, if she was brought into the FBI and witnessed things that are illegal, then it doesn't matter if she's trained or not - they're still illegal. the problem with a lot of that training is that they condition you to accept what "normal" people might not. It seems to me you think that if a government does something illegal it's alright so long as it's "classified". Um, I don't think it's supposed to work that way, but clearly your government works under that principle.

A great description of a problem. Illegal activities are illegal. I'm sure Tigger is worried about whistle blowing in the proper fashion and that's all good. I will disagree with that. Whistle blowing is sometimes necessary in unproper fashions especially when those channels serve to block fixing of the problem. We have seen repeatedly under the last 7 years that silencing the whistle blowers, who btw seem to be more often correct, is a much easier strategy then facing up and dealing with problems. I think it has to do with the attempts of our government to construct plausible deniability.

Recently a list of 934 lies were compiled over what Bush sold us for Iraq. Someone needs to do the same for terrorism. Nov 2008 -- the end of an error.

 

[faethor]

Well, like I said, I know little about this so I can't speak with authority here. However, if she was brought into the FBI and witnessed things that are illegal, then it doesn't matter if she's trained or not - they're still illegal. the problem with a lot of that training is that they condition you to accept what "normal" people might not. It seems to me you think that if a government does something illegal it's alright so long as it's "classified". Um, I don't think it's supposed to work that way, but clearly your government works under that principle.

A great description of a problem. Illegal activities are illegal. I'm sure Tigger is worried about whistle blowing in the proper fashion and that's all good. I will disagree with that. Whistle blowing is sometimes necessary in unproper fashions especially when those channels serve to block fixing of the problem. We have seen repeatedly under the last 7 years that silencing the whistle blowers, who btw seem to be more often correct, is a much easier strategy then facing up and dealing with problems. I think it has to do with the attempts of our government to construct plausible deniability.

Recently a list of 934 lies were compiled over what Bush sold us for Iraq. Someone needs to do the same for terrorism. Nov 2008 -- the end of an error.

 

[faethor]

Well, like I said, I know little about this so I can't speak with authority here. However, if she was brought into the FBI and witnessed things that are illegal, then it doesn't matter if she's trained or not - they're still illegal. the problem with a lot of that training is that they condition you to accept what "normal" people might not. It seems to me you think that if a government does something illegal it's alright so long as it's "classified". Um, I don't think it's supposed to work that way, but clearly your government works under that principle.

A great description of a problem. Illegal activities are illegal. I'm sure Tigger is worried about whistle blowing in the proper fashion and that's all good. I will disagree with that. Whistle blowing is sometimes necessary in unproper fashions especially when those channels serve to block fixing of the problem. We have seen repeatedly under the last 7 years that silencing the whistle blowers, who btw seem to be more often correct, is a much easier strategy then facing up and dealing with problems. I think it has to do with the attempts of our government to construct plausible deniability.

Recently a list of 934 lies were compiled over what Bush sold us for Iraq. Someone needs to do the same for terrorism. Nov 2008 -- the end of an error.