Sibel Edmonds - survey

[Robert]

he's on the palastine side

What does this actually mean? Do you think he's happy when some nutcase blows himself up in restaurant, in the name Palestine? Somehow I doubt it.

Are you "on the Israeli side"?

This simplistic, "black and white" view that you and so many others adopt baffles me.

It applies to political parties as well; "Our side, good or bad."
Treating world affairs like a football match.

I sometimes wonder if anyone gives a badger's about right and wrong anymore.....

 

[Robert]

he's on the palastine side

What does this actually mean? Do you think he's happy when some nutcase blows himself up in restaurant, in the name Palestine? Somehow I doubt it.

Are you "on the Israeli side"?

This simplistic, "black and white" view that you and so many others adopt baffles me.

It applies to political parties as well; "Our side, good or bad."
Treating world affairs like a football match.

I sometimes wonder if anyone gives a badger's about right and wrong anymore.....

 

[Robert]

he's on the palastine side

What does this actually mean? Do you think he's happy when some nutcase blows himself up in restaurant, in the name Palestine? Somehow I doubt it.

Are you "on the Israeli side"?

This simplistic, "black and white" view that you and so many others adopt baffles me.

It applies to political parties as well; "Our side, good or bad."
Treating world affairs like a football match.

I sometimes wonder if anyone gives a badger's about right and wrong anymore.....

 

[Robert]

he's on the palastine side

What does this actually mean? Do you think he's happy when some nutcase blows himself up in restaurant, in the name Palestine? Somehow I doubt it.

Are you "on the Israeli side"?

This simplistic, "black and white" view that you and so many others adopt baffles me.

It applies to political parties as well; "Our side, good or bad."
Treating world affairs like a football match.

I sometimes wonder if anyone gives a badger's about right and wrong anymore.....

 

[Tigger]

he's on the palastine side

What does this actually mean? Do you think he's happy when some nutcase blows himself up in restaurant, in the name Palestine? Somehow I doubt it.

Are you "on the Israeli side"?

This simplistic, "black and white" view that you and so many others adopt baffles me.

I'm not taking the Israeli side, I personally dont think cutting the flour from 300 tons to 90 tons is acceptable. The problem is when we have US papers using data poorly translated from Arabic (the original source is an Egyptian paper) we are fighting the wrong problem. If flour is part of the problem, we can work on how to get another 200 tons of flour a day into Palastine (a country I've been too, I have friends in and hope becomes a truly independent nation) but if you tell people that you need to figure out how to get an extra 679910 tons of flour a day from Israel that becomes an impossible task and thus there is no solution. If you say over 99% of the flour needed is not coming into the country that sounds much worse then saying 66% of the flour is not coming into the country. We can't solve the first problem because its not realistic, the second problem can get solved but we need to stop focusing on the mythical first problem. The wall isnt the problem, its a poor solution for the problem, but its not the problem itself, we need to solve the problem and stop focusing on the wall as being the problem.
-Tig

 

[Tigger]

he's on the palastine side

What does this actually mean? Do you think he's happy when some nutcase blows himself up in restaurant, in the name Palestine? Somehow I doubt it.

Are you "on the Israeli side"?

This simplistic, "black and white" view that you and so many others adopt baffles me.

I'm not taking the Israeli side, I personally dont think cutting the flour from 300 tons to 90 tons is acceptable. The problem is when we have US papers using data poorly translated from Arabic (the original source is an Egyptian paper) we are fighting the wrong problem. If flour is part of the problem, we can work on how to get another 200 tons of flour a day into Palastine (a country I've been too, I have friends in and hope becomes a truly independent nation) but if you tell people that you need to figure out how to get an extra 679910 tons of flour a day from Israel that becomes an impossible task and thus there is no solution. If you say over 99% of the flour needed is not coming into the country that sounds much worse then saying 66% of the flour is not coming into the country. We can't solve the first problem because its not realistic, the second problem can get solved but we need to stop focusing on the mythical first problem. The wall isnt the problem, its a poor solution for the problem, but its not the problem itself, we need to solve the problem and stop focusing on the wall as being the problem.
-Tig

 

[Tigger]

he's on the palastine side

What does this actually mean? Do you think he's happy when some nutcase blows himself up in restaurant, in the name Palestine? Somehow I doubt it.

Are you "on the Israeli side"?

This simplistic, "black and white" view that you and so many others adopt baffles me.

I'm not taking the Israeli side, I personally dont think cutting the flour from 300 tons to 90 tons is acceptable. The problem is when we have US papers using data poorly translated from Arabic (the original source is an Egyptian paper) we are fighting the wrong problem. If flour is part of the problem, we can work on how to get another 200 tons of flour a day into Palastine (a country I've been too, I have friends in and hope becomes a truly independent nation) but if you tell people that you need to figure out how to get an extra 679910 tons of flour a day from Israel that becomes an impossible task and thus there is no solution. If you say over 99% of the flour needed is not coming into the country that sounds much worse then saying 66% of the flour is not coming into the country. We can't solve the first problem because its not realistic, the second problem can get solved but we need to stop focusing on the mythical first problem. The wall isnt the problem, its a poor solution for the problem, but its not the problem itself, we need to solve the problem and stop focusing on the wall as being the problem.
-Tig

 

[Tigger]

he's on the palastine side

What does this actually mean? Do you think he's happy when some nutcase blows himself up in restaurant, in the name Palestine? Somehow I doubt it.

Are you "on the Israeli side"?

This simplistic, "black and white" view that you and so many others adopt baffles me.

I'm not taking the Israeli side, I personally dont think cutting the flour from 300 tons to 90 tons is acceptable. The problem is when we have US papers using data poorly translated from Arabic (the original source is an Egyptian paper) we are fighting the wrong problem. If flour is part of the problem, we can work on how to get another 200 tons of flour a day into Palastine (a country I've been too, I have friends in and hope becomes a truly independent nation) but if you tell people that you need to figure out how to get an extra 679910 tons of flour a day from Israel that becomes an impossible task and thus there is no solution. If you say over 99% of the flour needed is not coming into the country that sounds much worse then saying 66% of the flour is not coming into the country. We can't solve the first problem because its not realistic, the second problem can get solved but we need to stop focusing on the mythical first problem. The wall isnt the problem, its a poor solution for the problem, but its not the problem itself, we need to solve the problem and stop focusing on the wall as being the problem.
-Tig

 

[Tigger]

he's on the palastine side

What does this actually mean? Do you think he's happy when some nutcase blows himself up in restaurant, in the name Palestine? Somehow I doubt it.

Are you "on the Israeli side"?

This simplistic, "black and white" view that you and so many others adopt baffles me.

I'm not taking the Israeli side, I personally dont think cutting the flour from 300 tons to 90 tons is acceptable. The problem is when we have US papers using data poorly translated from Arabic (the original source is an Egyptian paper) we are fighting the wrong problem. If flour is part of the problem, we can work on how to get another 200 tons of flour a day into Palastine (a country I've been too, I have friends in and hope becomes a truly independent nation) but if you tell people that you need to figure out how to get an extra 679910 tons of flour a day from Israel that becomes an impossible task and thus there is no solution. If you say over 99% of the flour needed is not coming into the country that sounds much worse then saying 66% of the flour is not coming into the country. We can't solve the first problem because its not realistic, the second problem can get solved but we need to stop focusing on the mythical first problem. The wall isnt the problem, its a poor solution for the problem, but its not the problem itself, we need to solve the problem and stop focusing on the wall as being the problem.
-Tig

 

[Tigger]

he's on the palastine side

What does this actually mean? Do you think he's happy when some nutcase blows himself up in restaurant, in the name Palestine? Somehow I doubt it.

Are you "on the Israeli side"?

This simplistic, "black and white" view that you and so many others adopt baffles me.

I'm not taking the Israeli side, I personally dont think cutting the flour from 300 tons to 90 tons is acceptable. The problem is when we have US papers using data poorly translated from Arabic (the original source is an Egyptian paper) we are fighting the wrong problem. If flour is part of the problem, we can work on how to get another 200 tons of flour a day into Palastine (a country I've been too, I have friends in and hope becomes a truly independent nation) but if you tell people that you need to figure out how to get an extra 679910 tons of flour a day from Israel that becomes an impossible task and thus there is no solution. If you say over 99% of the flour needed is not coming into the country that sounds much worse then saying 66% of the flour is not coming into the country. We can't solve the first problem because its not realistic, the second problem can get solved but we need to stop focusing on the mythical first problem. The wall isnt the problem, its a poor solution for the problem, but its not the problem itself, we need to solve the problem and stop focusing on the wall as being the problem.
-Tig

 

[Tigger]

Relax Tigger, my post was mostly a joke. Infact I thought you'd get a kick out of "Tiggerpedia". And you're right, I haven't followed the case at all, but forgive me if I don't use your post as my only source of information on this or any other subject. The question to you is, why didn't you just provide a link to wikipedia which gives a pretty good summary and feel obligated to write one yourself?

If I were to rate the #1 thing I hate about Whyzzat, is exactly what you said above. This site and Amiga.org's coffee house before used to be about discusssions, very seldom is that true now. Its all about look at this article on Wikipedia, look over here on Tiggerpedia (I do like that btw), look here at Fox, etc. With very few actual opinions from the actual people here. Probably anyone that has a clearance has had a briefing of some type about Ms Edmonds exploits, I'm tired of having to have special meetings about look how dumb this person is, I'm working 60 hour weeks these days, I dont need to go a special meeting to "relearn" that providing classified info to non classified personnel is illegal, I learned that the first 20x I took the course, I shouldnt have to take a refresher because someone in the FBI didnt learn that lesson.
-Tig

 

[Tigger]

Relax Tigger, my post was mostly a joke. Infact I thought you'd get a kick out of "Tiggerpedia". And you're right, I haven't followed the case at all, but forgive me if I don't use your post as my only source of information on this or any other subject. The question to you is, why didn't you just provide a link to wikipedia which gives a pretty good summary and feel obligated to write one yourself?

If I were to rate the #1 thing I hate about Whyzzat, is exactly what you said above. This site and Amiga.org's coffee house before used to be about discusssions, very seldom is that true now. Its all about look at this article on Wikipedia, look over here on Tiggerpedia (I do like that btw), look here at Fox, etc. With very few actual opinions from the actual people here. Probably anyone that has a clearance has had a briefing of some type about Ms Edmonds exploits, I'm tired of having to have special meetings about look how dumb this person is, I'm working 60 hour weeks these days, I dont need to go a special meeting to "relearn" that providing classified info to non classified personnel is illegal, I learned that the first 20x I took the course, I shouldnt have to take a refresher because someone in the FBI didnt learn that lesson.
-Tig

 

[Tigger]

Relax Tigger, my post was mostly a joke. Infact I thought you'd get a kick out of "Tiggerpedia". And you're right, I haven't followed the case at all, but forgive me if I don't use your post as my only source of information on this or any other subject. The question to you is, why didn't you just provide a link to wikipedia which gives a pretty good summary and feel obligated to write one yourself?

If I were to rate the #1 thing I hate about Whyzzat, is exactly what you said above. This site and Amiga.org's coffee house before used to be about discusssions, very seldom is that true now. Its all about look at this article on Wikipedia, look over here on Tiggerpedia (I do like that btw), look here at Fox, etc. With very few actual opinions from the actual people here. Probably anyone that has a clearance has had a briefing of some type about Ms Edmonds exploits, I'm tired of having to have special meetings about look how dumb this person is, I'm working 60 hour weeks these days, I dont need to go a special meeting to "relearn" that providing classified info to non classified personnel is illegal, I learned that the first 20x I took the course, I shouldnt have to take a refresher because someone in the FBI didnt learn that lesson.
-Tig

 

[Tigger]

Relax Tigger, my post was mostly a joke. Infact I thought you'd get a kick out of "Tiggerpedia". And you're right, I haven't followed the case at all, but forgive me if I don't use your post as my only source of information on this or any other subject. The question to you is, why didn't you just provide a link to wikipedia which gives a pretty good summary and feel obligated to write one yourself?

If I were to rate the #1 thing I hate about Whyzzat, is exactly what you said above. This site and Amiga.org's coffee house before used to be about discusssions, very seldom is that true now. Its all about look at this article on Wikipedia, look over here on Tiggerpedia (I do like that btw), look here at Fox, etc. With very few actual opinions from the actual people here. Probably anyone that has a clearance has had a briefing of some type about Ms Edmonds exploits, I'm tired of having to have special meetings about look how dumb this person is, I'm working 60 hour weeks these days, I dont need to go a special meeting to "relearn" that providing classified info to non classified personnel is illegal, I learned that the first 20x I took the course, I shouldnt have to take a refresher because someone in the FBI didnt learn that lesson.
-Tig

 

[Tigger]

Relax Tigger, my post was mostly a joke. Infact I thought you'd get a kick out of "Tiggerpedia". And you're right, I haven't followed the case at all, but forgive me if I don't use your post as my only source of information on this or any other subject. The question to you is, why didn't you just provide a link to wikipedia which gives a pretty good summary and feel obligated to write one yourself?

If I were to rate the #1 thing I hate about Whyzzat, is exactly what you said above. This site and Amiga.org's coffee house before used to be about discusssions, very seldom is that true now. Its all about look at this article on Wikipedia, look over here on Tiggerpedia (I do like that btw), look here at Fox, etc. With very few actual opinions from the actual people here. Probably anyone that has a clearance has had a briefing of some type about Ms Edmonds exploits, I'm tired of having to have special meetings about look how dumb this person is, I'm working 60 hour weeks these days, I dont need to go a special meeting to "relearn" that providing classified info to non classified personnel is illegal, I learned that the first 20x I took the course, I shouldnt have to take a refresher because someone in the FBI didnt learn that lesson.
-Tig

 

[Tigger]

Relax Tigger, my post was mostly a joke. Infact I thought you'd get a kick out of "Tiggerpedia". And you're right, I haven't followed the case at all, but forgive me if I don't use your post as my only source of information on this or any other subject. The question to you is, why didn't you just provide a link to wikipedia which gives a pretty good summary and feel obligated to write one yourself?

If I were to rate the #1 thing I hate about Whyzzat, is exactly what you said above. This site and Amiga.org's coffee house before used to be about discusssions, very seldom is that true now. Its all about look at this article on Wikipedia, look over here on Tiggerpedia (I do like that btw), look here at Fox, etc. With very few actual opinions from the actual people here. Probably anyone that has a clearance has had a briefing of some type about Ms Edmonds exploits, I'm tired of having to have special meetings about look how dumb this person is, I'm working 60 hour weeks these days, I dont need to go a special meeting to "relearn" that providing classified info to non classified personnel is illegal, I learned that the first 20x I took the course, I shouldnt have to take a refresher because someone in the FBI didnt learn that lesson.
-Tig

 

[Glaucus]

If I were to rate the #1 thing I hate about Whyzzat, is exactly what you said above. This site and Amiga.org's coffee house before used to be about discusssions, very seldom is that true now. Its all about look at this article on Wikipedia, look over here on Tiggerpedia (I do like that btw), look here at Fox, etc. With very few actual opinions from the actual people here.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but i don't really see it that way at all. I see it as a kind of mix between the two. Wayne asked for some info on the subject. I think a link to the wikipedia would be a good unbiased source. If you want to add your opinions on top of that, no one is stopping you. I think Fluffy does that. He provides a link and his own commentary. It adds weight to his argument.

And ya, for some strange reason I like Tiggerpedia too. I think I'll TM it. But I'll let ya use it royalty free. See how nice i am?

Probably anyone that has a clearance has had a briefing of some type about Ms Edmonds exploits, I'm tired of having to have special meetings about look how dumb this person is, I'm working 60 hour weeks these days, I dont need to go a special meeting to "relearn" that providing classified info to non classified personnel is illegal, I learned that the first 20x I took the course, I shouldnt have to take a refresher because someone in the FBI didnt learn that lesson.

Well, like I said, I know little about this so I can't speak with authority here. However, if she was brought into the FBI and witnessed things that are illegal, then it doesn't matter if she's trained or not - they're still illegal. the problem with a lot of that training is that they condition you to accept what "normal" people might not. It seems to me you think that if a government does something illegal it's alright so long as it's "classified". Um, I don't think it's supposed to work that way, but clearly your government works under that principle.

- Mike

 

[Glaucus]

If I were to rate the #1 thing I hate about Whyzzat, is exactly what you said above. This site and Amiga.org's coffee house before used to be about discusssions, very seldom is that true now. Its all about look at this article on Wikipedia, look over here on Tiggerpedia (I do like that btw), look here at Fox, etc. With very few actual opinions from the actual people here.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but i don't really see it that way at all. I see it as a kind of mix between the two. Wayne asked for some info on the subject. I think a link to the wikipedia would be a good unbiased source. If you want to add your opinions on top of that, no one is stopping you. I think Fluffy does that. He provides a link and his own commentary. It adds weight to his argument.

And ya, for some strange reason I like Tiggerpedia too. I think I'll TM it. But I'll let ya use it royalty free. See how nice i am?

Probably anyone that has a clearance has had a briefing of some type about Ms Edmonds exploits, I'm tired of having to have special meetings about look how dumb this person is, I'm working 60 hour weeks these days, I dont need to go a special meeting to "relearn" that providing classified info to non classified personnel is illegal, I learned that the first 20x I took the course, I shouldnt have to take a refresher because someone in the FBI didnt learn that lesson.

Well, like I said, I know little about this so I can't speak with authority here. However, if she was brought into the FBI and witnessed things that are illegal, then it doesn't matter if she's trained or not - they're still illegal. the problem with a lot of that training is that they condition you to accept what "normal" people might not. It seems to me you think that if a government does something illegal it's alright so long as it's "classified". Um, I don't think it's supposed to work that way, but clearly your government works under that principle.

- Mike

 

[Glaucus]

If I were to rate the #1 thing I hate about Whyzzat, is exactly what you said above. This site and Amiga.org's coffee house before used to be about discusssions, very seldom is that true now. Its all about look at this article on Wikipedia, look over here on Tiggerpedia (I do like that btw), look here at Fox, etc. With very few actual opinions from the actual people here.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but i don't really see it that way at all. I see it as a kind of mix between the two. Wayne asked for some info on the subject. I think a link to the wikipedia would be a good unbiased source. If you want to add your opinions on top of that, no one is stopping you. I think Fluffy does that. He provides a link and his own commentary. It adds weight to his argument.

And ya, for some strange reason I like Tiggerpedia too. I think I'll TM it. But I'll let ya use it royalty free. See how nice i am?

Probably anyone that has a clearance has had a briefing of some type about Ms Edmonds exploits, I'm tired of having to have special meetings about look how dumb this person is, I'm working 60 hour weeks these days, I dont need to go a special meeting to "relearn" that providing classified info to non classified personnel is illegal, I learned that the first 20x I took the course, I shouldnt have to take a refresher because someone in the FBI didnt learn that lesson.

Well, like I said, I know little about this so I can't speak with authority here. However, if she was brought into the FBI and witnessed things that are illegal, then it doesn't matter if she's trained or not - they're still illegal. the problem with a lot of that training is that they condition you to accept what "normal" people might not. It seems to me you think that if a government does something illegal it's alright so long as it's "classified". Um, I don't think it's supposed to work that way, but clearly your government works under that principle.

- Mike

 

[Glaucus]

If I were to rate the #1 thing I hate about Whyzzat, is exactly what you said above. This site and Amiga.org's coffee house before used to be about discusssions, very seldom is that true now. Its all about look at this article on Wikipedia, look over here on Tiggerpedia (I do like that btw), look here at Fox, etc. With very few actual opinions from the actual people here.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but i don't really see it that way at all. I see it as a kind of mix between the two. Wayne asked for some info on the subject. I think a link to the wikipedia would be a good unbiased source. If you want to add your opinions on top of that, no one is stopping you. I think Fluffy does that. He provides a link and his own commentary. It adds weight to his argument.

And ya, for some strange reason I like Tiggerpedia too. I think I'll TM it. But I'll let ya use it royalty free. See how nice i am?

Probably anyone that has a clearance has had a briefing of some type about Ms Edmonds exploits, I'm tired of having to have special meetings about look how dumb this person is, I'm working 60 hour weeks these days, I dont need to go a special meeting to "relearn" that providing classified info to non classified personnel is illegal, I learned that the first 20x I took the course, I shouldnt have to take a refresher because someone in the FBI didnt learn that lesson.

Well, like I said, I know little about this so I can't speak with authority here. However, if she was brought into the FBI and witnessed things that are illegal, then it doesn't matter if she's trained or not - they're still illegal. the problem with a lot of that training is that they condition you to accept what "normal" people might not. It seems to me you think that if a government does something illegal it's alright so long as it's "classified". Um, I don't think it's supposed to work that way, but clearly your government works under that principle.

- Mike